Ponting not a complete batsman - Harbhajan

[Top_Cat]

Stealing your thoughts? That's sort of like stealing the hook shot from Ganguly's repertoire.

Whatever, geek.

 

[silentstriker]

Whatever, geek.

True, but it does mean I probably know that Africa is not a country, unlike your role model in that avatar.

 

[Top_Cat]

True, but it does mean I probably know that Africa is not a country, unlike your role model in that avatar.

Are you nailin' Palin? No. So, shut-up. She's hot, that's all she needs to be. haha

 

[Precambrian]

AWTA. Shut him up. Though its nice to hear his trash talk after a win, rather than a loss.

T be very honest, AWTA>

 

[Precambrian]

Yes, I agree. That's just disrespectful and completely unnecessary. As other said, calling him your bunny is one thing, and can be funny, but to knock his many accomplishments is not cool. Not only is it factually wrong, it is simply disrespectful of his achievements and quite obviously lacks class [though that part is unsurprising from him].

No one's wiser. Hayden referring to India as "third world country" is right up there with Harby, if not even worse.

His weed comments were not exactly the pinnacle of class either, though afterwards he regretted it. The point is, there are hadly any sportsmen left in cricket.

 

[silentstriker]

You have now claimed Ricky Ponting 10 times in Test matches. How satisfying is it to get someone like him so consistently?

It is nice to get Ponting out all the time. He is a good player and has a very good record. He made all statements that he has prepared well for the spinners, improved his technique but I think whenever the pressure comes he still remains my bunny. I think any spinner can get him out early. If he comes in early and has to play a spinner straightaway in a pressure situation then the spinner can get him out.

If you see Matthew Hayden he is different because he can attack and dominate spinners. But for Ponting, any spinner can get him out if you put him under pressure.

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/nov/13interview-aus-were-busy-writing-books-harbhajan.htm

 

[silentstriker]

No one's wiser. Hayden referring to India as "third world country" is right up there with Harby, if not even worse.

His weed comments were not exactly the pinnacle of class either, though afterwards he regretted it. The point is, there are hadly any sportsmen left in cricket.

Hehe, I want to go back and count the sightscreen minutes. Nine overs behind because of that? I don't think so.

 

[Precambrian]

And this complaining abt "heat". None of the venues registered a 30 degree+ heat during the match. And that's innuit compared to Perthetic 40 degrees.

 

[Top_Cat]

And this complaining abt "heat". None of the venues registered a 30 degree+ heat during the match. And that's innuit compared to Perthetic 40 degrees.

The Adelaide Test is usually pretty bloody warm too.

Yeah look I'm not 100% sure what's been causing the over-rate delays but suspect it's fiddling with field changes between every ball, etc. The bowlers seem to be getting back to the marks fast enough but I did see, more than usual, bowlers waiting at their marks to bowl.

 

[duffer]

Heh @ the reaction to Hayden's third world country comment. Nothing offensive in the slightest for mine, just comes off as being a bad loser and a bit of a prick which is hardly breaking news or anything.

 

[Sanz]

Are you nailin' Palin? No. So, shut-up. She's hot, that's all she needs to be. haha

Palin is hot ? Okay Top_Cat, now I am really dissapointed.

 

[Top_Cat]

Palin is hot ? Okay Top_Cat, now I am really dissapointed.

I submit that you, sir, are blind. My girlfriend may look completely different but Palin is fine.

 

[Sanz]

IAnd, yes, Tendulkar is 1 run better still...but remember, this is still including the many times that Tendulkar has played against minnows and Ponting hasn't. Get some perspective.

Once Again, same lies. You need to understand one thing no matter how many times you repeat, your lies and statistical twists wont become facts.

Anyways, Let me explain once Again :-

In Away matches, Excluding MINNOWs (Bangladesh & Zimbabwe) Tendulkar has better average than Ponting.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Ponting is 49.49, Tendulkar 51.49

 

[Sanz]

I submit that you, sir, are blind. My girlfriend may look completely different but Palin is fine.

Its just seems that VPILF appeals a lot to you.

 

[Ikki]

Once Again, same lies. You need to understand one thing no matter how many times you repeat, your lies and statistical twists wont become facts.

Anyways, Let me explain once Again :-

In Away matches, Excluding MINNOWs (Bangladesh & Zimbabwe) Tendulkar has better average than Ponting.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

Ponting is 49.49, Tendulkar 51.49

Did I not say away from home (counting neutral)? Away from home Ponting is what 51.2 or something? Nice try.

I didn't know 0.2 runs on average was the difference in being complete and incomplete. Or even your initial 2 runs Hilarious. Or should we mention that Ponting's home average is 62 (without minnows) and Tendulkar's is 51? Hence Ponting being "more complete". You're just not gonna win this one if you are relying on facts my friend. A difference of 0.2 (or 2 ) or a difference of 11?

P.S. something that I completely overlooked...Tendulkar averages in the 20s against S.Africa at home. So... there goes all those theories about completeness.

 

[Top_Cat]

Its just seems that VPILF appeals a lot to you.

Well who wouldn't like to F an VP? The P is far too male for my tastes.

 

[honestbharani]

Well Harbhajan continues to rub it in..



link:http://www.cricketnirvana.com/news/international/2008/November/news-20081113-314.html

Ths is getting beyond ridiculous now..



STFU, Bhajji........ Just try to become a better cricketer yourself.



The first interview was alright and he made some decent to very good points there but this is just pure drivel.

 

[Sanz]

, When for example I play 150 tests, and I play 12 tests in 10 countries and average 100 and I play 30 tests in the 11th country and average 25, let's say, that is going to bring my overall average down by a lot. It also hides the fact that against EVERY other country I averaged 100 runs. For example, Ponting averages 62 against 8/9 Test nations and 52 against 9/9...that doesn't mean anything to you? If it doesn't, then I have no hope to assuage your grief.

Another Statistical twist - So Ponting has played 49 away Tests and if you take 12 Tests out of it, obviously it is going to boost his average because it is a major chunk of his performance say 1/4th of his total AWAY tests.

Another Statistical LIE - In Away test matches (which is what you are focussing the discussion on) Ponting doesn't average 62 against 8/9 test nations, he averages 42.63 Vs. England, 50 Vs. SL. There are only 4 countries where Ponting averages 60+

Since you like selective Statisticas twists, consider this - In 32 (England India, Pak & SL) out of his 49 away test matches Ponting averages only 36.7 . You see it is not impossible to twists statistics and show you the mirror. But it is a huge injustice to the great player that Ponting is and the only reason I did it here is to show you the kind of crap you indulge in can be done by pretty much everyone and against every player and unfortunately that has been your favorite past time on these forums.

So, Ponting is a full 10 runs (yes 10!) better in EVERY other instance bar India. So to assume his overall record, in terms of completeness especially, is inferior or incomplete - when comparing to his contemporaries - is ridiculous.

Once Again, a LIE will not become a fact by repeating it. Ponting DOES NOT have that against every other country Bar India. I am not the one who thinks Ponting's record is incomplete but IMO he doesn't compare to Tendulkar regardless of what statistical adavantages he may or may not have over SRT.

And FOR THE RECORD, the 2 tests played in UAE against Pakistan were in some of the toughest conditions played in the last decade. And he averaged almost 100? When most batsmen didn't get past 50? You're kidding aren't you?

At least you need to be Honest with yourself and only then you can post facts. In that same series Hasan Raza averaged 122 against the likes of Mcgrath, Warne etc. And Besides that it was a neutral site, I dont understand how anyone can claim it as an away performance.

They're neutral...and they are away from home. They were much more like Pakistan, than they were like Australia. Weren't they? So what should I say? Ponting averages 97 and Tendulkar hasn't played there so Ponting is superior?

So a Colombo pitch is like Pakistani pitch ? And if we use that logic , why is NZ an away test match fro Ricky when the pitches in NZ are hardly any different than Aussie one ? Common you really need to get a grip on certain things before you march on a crusade.

 

[Ikki]

Another Statistical twist - So Ponting has played 49 away Tests and if you take 12 Tests out of it, obviously it is going to boost his average because it is a major chunk of his performance say 1/4th of his total AWAY tests.

LMAO. More like 1/5th ok, let's go over it then. So 8/9 teams were played in 4/5ths of his games away from home. How is that misleading?

Remember my batsman A and B example. It's precisely on this point. Batsman A averaged amazingly everywhere, but poorly in once place that he played a lot which drags his average down. What this hides is how good his actual record is away from home.

For example, I'll flip it another way.

Batsman A averages 10 in 10 tests in 10 nations but in the 11th nation he plays them 30 times and averages 150. This brings Batsman A's average to, let's say, 55. What this hides is the fact that Batsman A is actually not a well-rounded batsman, but that he smashed only 1 opponent.

I hope you get this. You seem to lose IQ points when you're arguing something you don't like.

Another Statistical LIE - In Away test matches (which is what you are focussing the discussion on) Ponting doesn't average 62 against 8/9 test nations, he averages 42.63 Vs. England, 50 Vs. SL. There are only 4 countries where Ponting averages 60+

Want to make a bet? As you can see, out of the 9 test nations available to play, his record over the other 8 (barring India) is 62. Please, stop misleading people with your ignorance.

Since you like selective Statisticas twists, consider this - In 32 (England India, Pak & SL) out of his 49 away test matches Ponting averages only 36.7 . You see it is not impossible to twists statistics and show you the mirror. But it is a huge injustice to the great player that Ponting is and the only reason I did it here is to show you the kind of crap you indulge in can be done by pretty much everyone and against every player and unfortunately that has been your favorite past time on these forums.

You're making a fool out of yourself; but keep going so we can all get at least a chuckle out of this silly thread.

Once Again, a LIE will not become a fact by repeating it. Ponting DOES NOT have that against every other country Bar India. I am not the one who thinks Ponting's record is incomplete but IMO he doesn't compare to Tendulkar regardless of what statistical adavantages he may or may not have over SRT.

I just proved to you he does. So go check again.

At least you need to be Honest with yourself and only then you can post facts. In that same series Hasan Raza averaged 122 against the likes of Mcgrath, Warne etc. And Besides that it was a neutral site, I dont understand how anyone can claim it as an away performance.

As I said, don't mislead people with your ignorance. Hasan Raza averaged 122...how did he do so? A 54* and a 68.

How did Ponting do so? He scored 44 and 150. I also said most batsmen didn't get past 50; tell me I am lying:

In the 66 batting chances, only 6 times was 50 crossed. Only 2 times by Pakistan.

So please, when you do not know what you are talking about, step away from the discussion so that those that do can discuss things. It's embarrassing that I have to talk this way to someone who is older. I don't enjoy it.

So a Colombo pitch is like Pakistani pitch ? And if we use that logic , why is NZ an away test match fro Ricky when the pitches in NZ are hardly any different than Aussie one ? Common you really need to get a grip on certain things before you march on a crusade.

Yes, because that is what I said... I said the conditions were less Australia than Pakistan. It doesn't matter, for me you can classify it as an away fixture for both sets of teams. It was gruelling and to even TRY to demean it shows you did not watch and have no clue of what went on there.

Now, the discussion has ended, because frankly, the issue of "completeness" has been resolved. Tendulalker averaged, what, 28 at home against the Saffies? Checkmate. Take your bias elsewhere.

 

[honestbharani]

No one's wiser. Hayden referring to India as "third world country" is right up there with Harby, if not even worse.

His weed comments were not exactly the pinnacle of class either, though afterwards he regretted it. The point is, there are hadly any sportsmen left in cricket.

He is an idiot but then again, what is new there????



These guys.. Hayden, Harbhajan, Symonds.. They are just morons, tbh.. Although I would put Hayden a notch lesser than the other two, maybe along with Sreesanth.