Worst fc record prior to test debut

[pup11]

Justin Ontong.
Still struggling to work out how the person who started this thread could go in-depth about Krezja's record yet failed to mention anything about Casson having a similarly bad record

Name one spinner who actually has a good record in Aussie FC cricket atm?!

 

[social]

Still struggling to work out how the person who started this thread could go in-depth about Krezja's record yet failed to mention anything about Casson having a similarly bad record

Casson had a pretty good year last year and, as such, his selection could be justified

Krezja, on the other hand, has been consistently poor

 

[Richard]

Casson had a pretty good year last year and, as such, his selection could be justified

Hardly - he had something like 3-and-a-half decent-to-good games.

He doesn't deserve international selection any more than any other current Australian spinner - save perhaps McGain - does.

 

[bryce]

Name one spinner who actually has a good record in Aussie FC cricket atm?!

Well, now that Lehmann's retired

 

[NZTailender]

Who was the last person to make their test or ODI debut without having played it's domestic equal (FC or List A)?

 

[Richard]

Excluding the Bangladeshi possibilities (of which I'm sure there are several - the fact I don't consider Bangladesh games credible as Tests\ODIs mean I barely take notice of who debuts without having played something FC\LAOD first) I'd imagine it'd be Yasir Ali, the apparantly-16-year-old kid who played for Pakistan in 2003.

Though the fact he debuted against Bangladesh somewhat detracts from the lustre of it. He still played a crucial part in avoiding defeat for them mind.

 

[bryce]

Could be wrong but I think Vettori played ODI's before List A. Also Sohail Tanvir had a shocking domestic 20/20 record before he was picked for the 20/20 WC

 

[NZTailender]

Could be wrong but I think Vettori played ODI's before List A. Also Sohail Tanvir had a shocking domestic 20/20 record before he was picked for the 20/20 WC

You are wrong.

However, he played just the one FC match before making his test debut, and that was for Northern Districts playing England in a tour match (not 100% this was classed as an FC match though).

 

[Richard]

It was, because Nasser Hussain was his first First-Class wicket in that game, then a week or something later he was his first Test wicket as well.

Non-First-Class tour-games were mercifully rare in those days - because you had more of them there was less need for this two-day and\or 15-a-side rubbish you get quite a bit these days.

 

[NZTailender]

You are wrong.

However, he played just the one FC match before making his test debut, and that was for Northern Districts playing England in a tour match (not 100% this was classed as an FC match though).

He also played in a U-19 tour of England before that, which are the earliest matches I can find of Vettori on cricketarchive.com

Interesting to see who was knocking about on that U-19 tour (in terms of later becoming internationals): Matthew Bell, Gareth Hopkins, Craig McMillan, Matthew Walker, David Sewell, Jacob Oram, Usman Afzaal, Matthew Hoggard, Ben Hollioake, Gareth Batty, James Ormond, Owais Shah, Ed Smith and Andrew Flintoff.

 

[NZTailender]

It was, because Nasser Hussain was his first First-Class wicket in that game, then a week or something later he was his first Test wicket as well.

Non-First-Class tour-games were mercifully rare in those days - because you had more of them there was less need for this two-day and\or 15-a-side rubbish you get quite a bit these days.

You would be right, an interesting statistic too. Cheers

 

[Richard]

He also played in a U-19 tour of England before that, which are the earliest matches I can find of Vettori on cricketarchive.com

Interesting to see who was knocking about on that U-19 tour (in terms of later becoming internationals): Matthew Bell, Gareth Hopkins, Craig McMillan, Matthew Walker, David Sewell, Jacob Oram, Usman Afzaal, Matthew Hoggard, Ben Hollioake, Gareth Batty, James Ormond, Owais Shah, Ed Smith and Andrew Flintoff.

SA u19s in England in 1995 was interesting from that POV too.

Even in 2003 there were Duminys, Philanders and de Villierses. And IIRR Luke Wright too...

Funny though, I'd never noticed James Ormond had played for the under-19s.

 

[bryce]

He also played in a U-19 tour of England before that, which are the earliest matches I can find of Vettori on cricketarchive.com

Interesting to see who was knocking about on that U-19 tour (in terms of later becoming internationals): Matthew Bell, Gareth Hopkins, Craig McMillan, Matthew Walker, David Sewell, Jacob Oram, Usman Afzaal, Matthew Hoggard, Ben Hollioake, Gareth Batty, James Ormond, Owais Shah, Ed Smith and Andrew Flintoff.

Always thought Matthew Walker would have made a half-decent ODI player, especially at home. True well guessing Vettori still didn't actually have a List A wicket lol

 

[Richard]

Always thought Matthew Walker would have made a half-decent ODI player, especially at home.

I was certainly very disappointed he didn't get more of a chance myself, while the likes of Andre Adams and James Franklin (both of whom are much better-suited to the longer game) played copious numbers of games.

 

[bryce]

Yeah, and he went real well in his last three seasons before he walked out on Wellington

State Championship 4-day
1164 runs@37.55
83 wickets@21.63
26 catches

State Shield 1-day
561 runs@29.53
37 wickets@19.59, RPO:3.60
11 catches

 

[bryce]

Jeetan Patel!
Almost diabolical FC & List A records prior to each of his respective debuts, very similar to Krezja's iirc

 

[_Ed_]

That's true. Never understood his FC or List A stats, he's a far better bowler than that.

 

[bryce]

Predictable excuse would be NZ conditions, though sometimes doing too much with the ball can mean you struggle to pick-up wickets - as opposed to using subtle variations. I'm not implying anything, merely speculating..

 

[Uppercut]

Does Nathan Hauritz take the biscuit on this subject?

 

[Richard]

Can't remember what it was when he debuted - was definately poor, though IIRR was less bad than Krejza's was.

I think it was 40-odd. When he plays his 2nd Test, of course, it's all but 50, same as Krejza's was on debut.

Hope both of their Test averages go up plenty in whatever cricket they play in the immediate future. Neither should ever have played Test cricket, though Hauritz's selection was out-and-out shocking - on both occasions - and Krejza's merely doubtful.