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Worst fc record prior to test debut

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Some West Indian selectors this decade i.e Samuels. Edwards, Taylor, Marshall had poor FC records or none at all. Basically picked on potential.
I think Samuels had only played 1 first class game. He was only 17 or 18 when he made his debut in Adelaide. Didn't do that badly from memory. But, I remember his first ball in test cricket was a ripper of a bouncer from Gillespie that struck him on the shoulder or something.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
He was just a few weeks short of 20 TBF, and had played 6 First-Class games (though only 1 for Jamaica, at the age of 16). You're 100% right about his opening ball though:
CricInfo said:
90.5 Gillespie to Samuels, no run, bounced off the chest over slips to the boundary, dead ball called despite the fact that he trying to evade the ball
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
To top that.

Englands first black cricketer, Roland Butcher, averaged 27.77 over 6 or so seasons before going on the 1981 England tour to West Indies and playing as a specialist bat.
Ah, but he played a lovely cameo in the 1980 Gillette Cup Final, which counted for a lot in those days. :)

tbf his record in 1980 wasn't the worst iirc. And we didn't have a lot to choose from in those days. What was Athey's FC record when he was picked for that tour?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Ah, but he played a lovely cameo in the 1980 Gillette Cup Final, which counted for a lot in those days. :)
Still does count for a hell of a lot more than it should - which is nothing more than any other game.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Hamilton was always much more bowler than batsman. He batted eight in his only Test.
He'd also smashed around a few bowlers in the 1999 World Cup for Scotland, which would have counted for something in the minds of the England selectors.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Possibly so, and sadly I'd not have wanted to have betted against that the WC99 events had a fair bearing on Hamilton's selection in 1999/2000.

Nonetheless, he had a pretty decent case for his selection anyway, and it did appear that bowling was the principal reason for his sole Test.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
What was Chris Schofield's FC record before being picked in 2000?

And how about Atherton's prior to being picked in 1989?

And Ben Hollioake's in the middle of 1997?

And Greg Thomas prior to being picked in 1985/6?

Liam Plunkett is another who springs to mind.
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
What was Chris Schofield's FC record before being picked in 2000?
Not execrable, he averaged 29.96. The silly thing there was he'd played just 18 First-Class matches, 2 in 1998, most of the season in 1999 and a few for England A in 1999/2000.
And how about Atherton's prior to being picked in 1989?
Atherton's record was pretty damn good - averaged all but 40. The thing was, he was only just out of university. But in all of 1987, 88 and 89 he'd played plenty for both Cambridge and Lancs. If they'd just waited a bit longer... and had it been any year other than 1989 or the previous year, they probably would have.
And Ben Hollioake's in the middle of 1997?
Hollioake Jnr had played 11 First-Class games. His best haul was 4-74, his best score (and only half-century) 53. His was a crazy piece of selection, based on youth rather than skill.
And Greg Thomas prior to being picked in 1985/6?
Not too bad, though hardly something that screamed "Test bowler material". 29.43. Best of just 5-56 though.
Liam Plunkett is another who springs to mind.
Plunkett's was poor, it was patently obvious he was nowhere near Test-class, but not absolutely woeful. He averaged 31.77.
 

cricman

International 12th Man
Pretty much and Bangladesh batsman bar Bashar.
Most bangladeshis don't play FC Cricket or get 2 or 3 matches before they get there test Debut

I'm pretty Sure Shakib, Mashrafe and Ashraful's FC debut were there Test Debut

It's U-19 ---> 5 Day Cricket ... Thats why we Struggle
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He was just a few weeks short of 20 TBF, and had played 6 First-Class games (though only 1 for Jamaica, at the age of 16). You're 100% right about his opening ball though:
Thought he looked quite impressive on his debut tbh. Shame he couldn't convert that attitude to the rest of his career.
 

Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
I'm pretty Sure Shakib, Mashrafe and Ashraful's FC debut were there Test Debut

It's U-19 ---> 5 Day Cricket ... Thats why we Struggle
Mashrafe yes, both Ashraful and Shakib had played a handful of NCL games before they got a call-up.

Mashrafe has still only played 9 NCL matches.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I think Samuels had only played 1 first class game. He was only 17 or 18 when he made his debut in Adelaide. Didn't do that badly from memory. But, I remember his first ball in test cricket was a ripper of a bouncer from Gillespie that struck him on the shoulder or something.
Ha, very good memory indeed Mr.Wright according to Richard. Remember him batting impressively a la Marshall the other day, but such specifics have slipped my mind unfortunately.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Actually, one MP Vaughan's FC batting record was pretty ropey when selected for our SA tour of 99/00, averaging only 33.83 overall, but more remarkably his selection came after a 1999 season that saw him score 895 runs at a piss-poor 27.12!
 

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Actually, one MP Vaughan's FC batting record was pretty ropey when selected for our SA tour of 99/00, averaging only 33.83 overall, but more remarkably his selection came after a 1999 season that saw him score 895 runs at a piss-poor 27.12!
Clearly, he hadn't quite descended to the requisite level of mediocrity for the England Test side at that point!
 

bryce

International Regular
Justin Ontong.
Still struggling to work out how the person who started this thread could go in-depth about Krezja's record yet failed to mention anything about Casson having a similarly bad record:wacko:
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Thought he looked quite impressive on his debut tbh. Shame he couldn't convert that attitude to the rest of his career.
Absolutely. Played decently thoughout that tour - certainly not outstandingly well, but he was so measured and un-rushed at the crease. Total contrast to some of his ridiculous innings' later one.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
It would be interesting to find out Jason Gallian's first class record prior to selection. It could just be that as he was Australian the England selectors felt duty bound to select him.
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Averaged just under 40 with the bat so nothing remarkable - was he talked of as an all-rounder in those days? - he took a few wickets with some innocuous medium pace for Lancs
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Averaged just under 40 with the bat so nothing remarkable - was he talked of as an all-rounder in those days? - he took a few wickets with some innocuous medium pace for Lancs
Was vaguely spoken of as an FEC if memory serves. Was profiled as such on that magazine program Gower used to front on BBC2. Went to Oxbridge, which always used to help in that regard.

Actual average was 38.96 on debut, I feel obliged to add too, having just spent 10 minutes working the fecker out. :p
 

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