New Cricket Trivia - 'SJS format'

[archie mac]

Match played in Australia?


19th century?

Two Yeses (is that a word? )

I think this question is in trouble

 

[fredfertang]

I think James Lillywhite took the coat in one of the early series - did he do some emergency fielding too?

 

[archie mac]

I think James Lillywhite took the coat in one of the early series - did he do some emergency fielding too?

Not the fellow I had in mind, but pretty sure he was on the tour

 

[fredfertang]

Sam Cosstick?

 

[archie mac]

Sam Cosstick?

I don't think Sam ever played in a Test match?

But either way it is not him

 

[fredfertang]

I was assuming the gent concerned was originally down to umpire but then had to field as a stopgap - was I right to do so?

 

[stumpski]

I had 'Alberto' Trott in mind for some reason.

 

[archie mac]

I was assuming the gent concerned was originally down to umpire but then had to field as a stopgap - was I right to do so?

No he was picked in the Test, and did play, I have not delved into the reason he had to umpire

I had 'Alberto' Trott in mind for some reason.

No, he is an Englishman, and the game was in Aust.

 

[stumpski]

Yorkshireman?

 

[archie mac]

Yorkshireman?

Nope

 

[stumpski]

Was it a Melbourne Test?


1880s?

 

[SJS]

You did get it Easton's the man - it wasn't his debut - I had to edit the question

HA HA HA

I gave up on this question because I knew this is how it is going to end up.

It is possible to get a list of all those who scored a duck on debut HERE and after painfully going through each and every West Indian listed here and checking their debut match score cards, I still kept getting 'No' and 'No' and yet more 'No'es.

What a waste of time ?

 

[fredfertang]

That's a bit harsh SJS - I did announce the edit to the question before your first post on it

 

[archie mac]

Was it a Melbourne Test?


1880s?

No to Melbourne yes to 1880s

 

[archie mac]

HA HA HA

I gave up on this question because I knew this is how it is going to end up.

It is possible to get a list of all those who scored a duck on debut HERE and after painfully going through each and every West Indian listed here and checking their debut match score cards, I still kept getting 'No' and 'No' and yet more 'No'es.

What a waste of time ?

It is a fair old list, much longer then I would have thought

You could pick a pretty fair XI out of that lot

 

[stumpski]

I was assuming the gent concerned was originally down to umpire but then had to field as a stopgap - was I right to do so?

I always thought it was more likely to be the other way round - after all, anyone can do a bit of fielding (and most umpires would be a bit too long in the tooth) but few players would have the experience and confidence to stand in a Test. I went through the scorecards of the nine Tests Sydney hosted in the 1880s and found this match, in which William Gunn deputised for John Swift. There have been a few instances of emergency umpires being used in county games - I remember Alan Butcher doing so in a game at the Oval a year or two back - but generally the 'official' umpire will stand at the bowler's end throughout.

 

[archie mac]

I always thought it was more likely to be the other way round - after all, anyone can do a bit of fielding (and most umpires would be a bit too long in the tooth) but few players would have the experience and confidence to stand in a Test. I went through the scorecards of the nine Tests Sydney hosted in the 1880s and found this match, in which William Gunn deputised for John Swift. There have been a few instances of emergency umpires being used in county games - I remember Alan Butcher doing so in a game at the Oval a year or two back - but generally the 'official' umpire will stand at the bowler's end throughout.

Yes that is it, well done mate, your turn

 

[wisden18]

generally the 'official' umpire will stand at the bowler's end throughout.

Indeed: Law 3.2:

An umpire shall not be changed during the match, other than in exceptional circumstances, unless he is injured or ill. If there has to be a change of umpire, the replacement shall act only as the striker's end umpire unless the captains agree that he should take full responsibility as an umpire.

 

[archie mac]

Indeed: Law 3.2:

An umpire shall not be changed during the match, other than in exceptional circumstances, unless he is injured or ill. If there has to be a change of umpire, the replacement shall act only as the striker's end umpire unless the captains agree that he should take full responsibility as an umpire.

Was that the law at the time?

 

[wisden18]

Was that the law at the time?

Well no, not exactly.

In the first code of laws, in 1774: it simply said, with regard to umpires:

To allow 2 minutes for each man to come in when one is out, and 10 minutes between Each Hand to mark the Ball, that it may not be changed. They are sole judges of all outs and ins, of all fair and unfair Play, of frivolous delays, of all hurts, whether real or pretended, and are discretionally to allow whatever time they think Proper before the Game goes on again. In case of a real hurt to a striker, they are to allow another to come in, and the Person hurt to come in again, but are not to allow a fresh Man to Play on either side on any Account. They are sole judges of all hindrances, crossing the Players in running, and Standing unfair to Strike, and in case of hindrance may order a notch to be scored. They are not to order any man out unless appealed to by one of the Players. These Laws are to the Umpires Jointly. Each Umpire is the Sole Judge of all Nips and Catches, Ins and Outs, good or bad runs at his own Wicket, and his determination shall be absolute, and he shall not be changed for another Umpire without the Consent of both Sides. When the 4 Balls are bowled he is to call over. These Laws are seperately. When both Umpires shall call Play 3 Times, tis at the Peril of giving the Game from them that refuses Play.


Then by 1884, we have something rather interesting:

Law 51 No umpire shall be allowed to bet.
Law 52 No Umpire shall be changed during a match, unless with the consent of both sides, except in case of violation of Law 51; then either side may dismiss him.


It's not until the 2000 code, that there is mention of a replacement standing only at the striker's end.

So short answer, archie: No