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***Official*** English Domestic Season 2008

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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Look, I am only quoting what I said, I thought it strange too.

Must say that I find it odd that you can't qualify through your folks. In football, KP would have been eligible for England right from birth.

Actually, he may have needed a passport or citizenship, could be completely wrong here.

I know Aldo qualified for Ireland through his grandmother despite being a British passport holder only, but during his international career had to become an Irish citizen due to rules being changed.
I have to say there does seem to be some ambiguity between the ICC's eligibility & our own. Their first criteria is "A national of the country (as defined by the country)" so, by my reading, as KP was already a UK citizen he didn't actually have to do a residence. I don't think he'd played age-group for the SA national team, so I also find it a bit odd. If the ICC don't require it why would we hamstring ourselves like that?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
If the ECB were to deliberately slow down qualifications (which I'm not sure whether they are or not) the reasoning is pretty obvious - to ensure proper commitment, and avoid players switching between England and South Africa every 2 years.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
He'd been relatively tidy til then tho in all honesty. You'd have got long odds on him going for 28.
His previous over had gone for plenty (12 or 13), though, immediately after du Plessis had gone for 20. Was thinking at the time - when you've got 6 overs left, with Saj, Cork, Chapple and Flintoff with 6 left between them, plus Hogg completely unbowled as an insurance policy incase one goes for a few, and Malan showing that he's actively going after the spinners, you've got to bowl out with the seamers. You would have long odds on 28, but you could see at least 16 coming from a mile off.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
There has to be some level of performance at the FC level behind selection whether it be a year or 10 years. I cannot understand the logic of picking players because he played the innings of his life the other day as is often done by the WI selectors or as Duncan famously did with Trescothick. There is no rationale for picking players based on solely on potential because unless that potential has been churned into some level of performance at the FC level then its not going to happen at the international level any time soon either.
I agree it is not a wise thing to do, but it happens in international all the time with the many teams who have domestic structures which aren't good breathing ground for judging whether a player is going to at the higest level.


Thats not what anyone has said though.
The cases suggest by some for Ian Trott & Neil Killeen from the who should be dropped for the ENG ODI side thread..



Batting someone out of position has nothing to do with the argument that someone who has failed at the domestic level can succeed in the international level. Sehwag averages almost 50 for Delhi and nearly 50 for Leicestshire. That he succeeded at the international level is hardly a surprise because he had been a success at the domestic level. The fact that he wasnt an opener in the FC level and has still been scoring runs at the intl level is not comparable to the argument that someone who has failed at the domestic level can still succeed at the international level.
It is comparable since given alot of Indian batsmen tend to average fairly highly domestically i,e Yuvraj, Kambli, Ajay Sharma, Bhardwaj & only the special talents who aren't fazed by the challenges of batting at the highest level i.e Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman have been able to adapt.

You can't seriously tell me watching Sehwag bat back in 01/02 when ENG where in IND that you would think he would become a such a prolific test match opener. He just took adjusted to to role at the highest level.




If Denly averages 500 runs at an average of 40+ this season then his selection would be justified. Even then I would only select him having actually watched him for myself to judge how well he actually played that season. If he puts in 2-3 years of good performances then I think he would be thoroughly deserving of a place in the side. Until then I dont think picking him would be in anyway justified. The only time I have watched him (India tour of England), he had appalling footwork and if its still as bad, I dont see him succeeding at the test match level.
Yes much preferably i would much rather Denly backed up his performances over a few seasons before selected. But my argument is simply if he can build on it and produces another spectacular innings before the season is out, given the state of the top order ENG may be forced to pick him.

About his footwork nahhhhh man not what i saw the other day. The pitch didn't have much movement but had bounce & the way Denly was playing some of his cuts & pulls againts Harmo & improving with a few shots looks a natural at opening in the shorter form of the game. Can't say much about his test match future though, i shall let his FC form speak for that.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
Haha, what?

A fielder stops a cover drive from Joyce, so he must be a **** batsman. Worst logic ever.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
Are you feeling ok?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
Haha, that's the Inzy sorted for next week.
 
Hey guys tell me honestly, does english couty cricket deserve to enjoy the first class status? The way English team is deteriorating year after the year i think they may lose their test status as well. The most over rated team.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
:laugh:
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha, nah - certainly don't (so far, at least) suspect him of being SW\BLE, though that post of course would be straight out of his locker.

But that's a very odd post that bears no relation to any of this member's other posts so far.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Hey guys tell me honestly, does english couty cricket deserve to enjoy the first class status? The way English team is deteriorating year after the year i think they may lose their test status as well. The most over rated team.
County cricket generally features the majority of the world's best players in any given season and is rated by Justin Langer as equally competitive as Australian State cricket.

England's Test team is ranked above Pakistan in the ICC Test rankings.

But you make a good, nearly coherent point. Well done you.
 
County cricket generally features the majority of the world's best players in any given season and is rated by Justin Langer as equally competitive as Australian State cricket.

England's Test team is ranked above Pakistan in the ICC Test rankings.

But you make a good, nearly coherent point. Well done you.
England team was really good when each county was allowed to play more than one foreign cricketers in playing 11. England players had a good exposure to competitive cricket.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
England team was really good when each county was allowed to play more than one foreign cricketers in playing 11. England players had a good exposure to competitive cricket.
To be fair, with Kolpaks & EU passported players, most counties average at least 3 not-entirely-English players, even if they aren't technically classed as overseas.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
How has Dominic Cork's fielding been? I saw him attempt a dive at cover and he saved it- the batsman was Ed Joyce, I remember. Wonder what that means- Cork's become (or has always been) a world class fielder, or Joyce is hardly world-class with the bat.
Sorry, no matter how many times I read this I can't make any sense of it.

The difficulty of fielding the ball does not rise with the quality of the batsman who hit it.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
England team was really good when each county was allowed to play more than one foreign cricketers in playing 11. England players had a good exposure to competitive cricket.
No, really, it wasn't. The time when such a thing happened was basically the 1970s and 1980s. And the second half of the 1980s was the worst 4 years in English cricket history.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Hey guys tell me honestly, does english couty cricket deserve to enjoy the first class status? The way English team is deteriorating year after the year i think they may lose their test status as well. The most over rated team.
Haha, if this guy lasts to 100 posts I shall be surprised
 
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