***Official*** IPL match discussion thread

[Prince EWS]

Of course they did - he's a human headline after all.

It's like golf. Rajeev showed a report straight off the wire by AAP. You'll read golf reports here "Aussie runs 4th in whatever event. Led into last three holes, but went bogey, bogey par to miss out. The event was won by the usual unkonwn Yank with a weird name like Bubba". And the by-line will be "Aussie's Big payday" or something like that.

Now, I know it's hard to comprehend, but the IPL, well it aint that big a deal here in the media. The SMH (Sydney broadsheet) often has nothing in its sports section on it, unless an Aussie bloke does well, because it's an Indian domestic comp. It's the same with county cricket. Believe it or not, the mainstream, non-cricket tragic media here don't really care if Jodi Pantsdown-Naughtyboy from Surrey scored a double ton v Lancs, coz it's an English domestic comp. If an Aussie bloke scores a ton in the same match, it may however get a mention.

Ind33d.

 

[weldone]

Nowhere did they they use the word "hero". They said he led the team to the win, which was stretching it a bit I agree, but he was the backbone of their innings and top scored so it's not like they flat-out lied.

Creative journalism at worst. The target audiance didn't care about Dhoni so he wasn't mentioned. It wouldn't have been in the paper at all if Hussey (or other Australians) weren't playing. End of.

good information...trying for a job in that newspaper in future?

 

[Prince EWS]

good information...trying for a job in that newspaper in future?

I left a word out. You're too slow though; I'd already edited it when you posted.

 

[weldone]

Of course they did - he's a human headline after all.

It's like golf. Rajeev showed a report straight off the wire by AAP. You'll read golf reports here "Aussie runs 4th in whatever event. Led into last three holes, but went bogey, bogey par to miss out. The event was won by the usual unkonwn Yank with a weird name like Bubba". And the by-line will be "Aussie's Big payday" or something like that.

Now, I know it's hard to comprehend, but the IPL, well it aint that big a deal here in the media. The SMH (Sydney broadsheet) often has nothing in its sports section on it, unless an Aussie bloke does well, because it's an Indian domestic comp. It's the same with county cricket. Believe it or not, the mainstream, non-cricket tragic media here don't really care if Jodi Pantsdown-Naughtyboy from Surrey scored a double ton v Lancs, coz it's an English domestic comp. If an Aussie bloke scores a ton in the same match, it may however get a mention.

But they won't say the Aussie came first when he indeed came 4th right?...Similarly they can't say Hussey led them to victory...they can say it was a superb, fantastic etc. etc. etc. inning, but they can't say Hussey led CSK to victory...

 

[weldone]

I left a word out. You're too slow though; I'd already edited it when you posted.

how sad that Aussie newspaper didn't get a chance to edit their news item once the paper was out

 

[Rajeev]

..I am satisified, they don't need to find a target audience..they have them anyways

 

[Burgey]

how sad that Aussie newspaper didn't get a chance to edit their news item once the paper was out

Why would they edit it? It's a by-line in a paper, not an in depth article. Were an Indian playing in the Aussie domestic comp and starred, his efforts would be reported here, because it's an Australian comp. I dare say the Indian papers would report his exploits as well, but it doesn't mean they'd go into detail about all the Aussie domestic players who contributed to the side's win.

And frankly, I wouldn't expect them to.

 

[Laurrz]

Why on earth would Dravid bat at no.7? In T20, if he isn't in the top three, there is no point in him playing at all i.m.o. He's not exactly a no.7 who can smack it over the ropes with 2 overs to go.

Jeez, Bangalore will be dire when Taylor, their only worthy T20 batsman, goes to England.

hopefully White replaces him

 

[biased indian]

Of course they did - he's a human headline after all.

It's like golf. Rajeev showed a report straight off the wire by AAP. You'll read golf reports here "Aussie runs 4th in whatever event. Led into last three holes, but went bogey, bogey par to miss out. The event was won by the usual unkonwn Yank with a weird name like Bubba". And the by-line will be "Aussie's Big payday" or something like that.

Now, I know it's hard to comprehend, but the IPL, well it aint that big a deal here in the media. The SMH (Sydney broadsheet) often has nothing in its sports section on it, unless an Aussie bloke does well, because it's an Indian domestic comp. It's the same with county cricket. Believe it or not, the mainstream, non-cricket tragic media here don't really care if Jodi Pantsdown-Naughtyboy from Surrey scored a double ton v Lancs, coz it's an English domestic comp. If an Aussie bloke scores a ton in the same match, it may however get a mention.

sorry cant compare IPL with county cricket....if u compared it with Ranji trophy wil agree...

what ever u may say IPL have got more milage than wht county crikcet might have got upto know..

 

[Burgey]

sorry cant compare IPL with county cricket....if u compared it with Ranji trophy wil agree...

what ever u may say IPL have got more milage than wht county crikcet might have got upto know..

How would you know what mileage it's getting here unless you're following it in the Australian press? It's getting more coverage than a county season here because it's new and all the Aussies involved are pretty much high profile, but it's no where near as big in the main stream media here as you might think (and we might all hope, being cricket fans).

 

[Arjun]

Just a diversion...but if IPL teams were only composed of Indians, which team would be the strongest? I'd say Mumbai, Delhi or Punjab, though Kolkata also are in with a shout.

 

[weldone]

Why would they edit it? It's a by-line in a paper, not an in depth article. Were an Indian playing in the Aussie domestic comp and starred, his efforts would be reported here, because it's an Australian comp. I dare say the Indian players would report his exploits as well, but it doesn't mean they'd go into detail about all the Aussie domestic players who contributed to the side's win.

And frankly, I wouldn't expect them to.

But if the Indian newspaper says 'Mr. X led Y to a victory' and it's inappropriate, I won't support it...

 

[weldone]

guys, is sachin playin 2day?...any updates?

 

[Arjun]

The Mumbai Indians, having lost four matches out of four, without key players Sachin, Dilhara and Malinga, are a clear-cut case of dreadful squad management. They have had absolutely no back-up for these three frontliners and are left struggling for replacements. They've got two duds for overseas players, and the other two, who are stalwarts, have had a dreadful series.

This esteemed business house have got one problem too many in this team. There's a liability on the top of the order (Ronchi), the tournament's biggest non-performing asset (Sanath, at Rs 3.9cr) and a world-class all-rounder whose return on capital (Pollock, at Rs 2.2cr) has been minimal. We've seen misfits (one made all four matches) from nearby picked for all four matches, while better prospects such as Rahane, Tiwary, Pinal Shah and Rajesh Pawar have never got a game. While a lot of fans may have a crack at Nehra, he's come at a much lower billing, compared to some other players, who have been big duds.

There have been protests all over the country for issues such as the cheerleaders or surrogate alcohol advertisement in a team name. I wonder, will there be protests against the use of the name 'Indians' for a floundering, bottom-of-table team?

 

[weldone]

The Mumbai Indians, having lost four matches out of four, without key players Sachin, Dilhara and Malinga, are a clear-cut case of dreadful squad management. They have had absolutely no back-up for these three frontliners and are left struggling for replacements. They've got two duds for overseas players, and the other two, who are stalwarts, have had a dreadful series.

This esteemed business house have got one problem too many in this team. There's a liability on the top of the order (Ronchi), the tournament's biggest non-performing asset (Sanath, at Rs 3.9cr) and a world-class all-rounder whose return on capital (Pollock, at Rs 2.2cr) has been minimal. We've seen misfits (one made all four matches) from nearby picked for all four matches, while better prospects such as Rahane, Tiwary, Pinal Shah and Rajesh Pawar have never got a game. While a lot of fans may have a crack at Nehra, he's come at a much lower billing, compared to some other players, who have been big duds.

There have been protests all over the country for issues such as the cheerleaders or surrogate alcohol advertisement in a team name. I wonder, will there be protests against the use of the name 'Indians' for a floundering, bottom-of-table team?

Bravo is not a dud in t20 by any means...(although Ronchi is, they should play Bosman in his place though, replacing one of the mediocre alrounders by Pinal)

 

[ret]

A Test team in Twenty20 clothes

About three overs into the Bangalore innings there was a grim suspicion - one which would come back to haunt them later in the evening - that Rahul Dravid had actually chosen a Test team looking as much like a Twenty20 franchise as the bearded women resemble men in The Life of Brian's stoning scene.

Bharat Chipli, seemingly the umpteenth opener tried by the Royal Challengers in their four matches, was being jeered by the Chinnaswamy faithful for failing to break Jacob Oram's shackles, while at the other end Wasim Jaffer was batting like a latterday Ken Barrington, apparently booking in for bed and breakfast.

Poor Bangalore. Jaffer, Dravid, Jacques Kallis, even the hastily discarded Shivnarine Chanderpaul (two in nine balls against the Rajasthan Royals on Saturday) - it was hardly a line-up to strike fear into Twenty20 opening bowlers. Moments later, Chipli was bowled by Manpreet Gony and local eyebrows were raised with knowing resignation.

And then the Royal Challengers got a stroke of luck. Gony dropped Jaffer at long-on. It was a sitter as boundary catches go. Gony wrung his wrist in pain but the bowler, Palani Amarnath, looked like he wanted to do a Sreesanth (burst into tears, that is, rather than collect a slap in the chops). The mood, already faintly surreal with the looming clouds and the swirling wind, changed.

Taking his cue from Ross Taylor - who, remember, was not even snapped up until the second, much cheaper, round of auctioning - Jaffer decided to play shots no one knew he ever had. He went inside-out to drive Amarnath over extra cover for four, and even managed to make the stroke look elegant. He pulled Albie Morkel for six and then played an imperious pick-up off his pads to deposit Joginder Sharma for six more. His half-century, from just 32 balls, came courtesy of a cheeky shuffle across his stumps and a flick to fine-leg for four. Amarnath could barely believe it.

But old habits die hard, and that is Bangalore's fundamental problem. The ball after reaching 50, Jaffer - man who has played two one-day internationals and only two Twenty20 innings of any kind before tonight - drove Amarnath to long-off and the wheels began to loosen on their axels. Nine overs and nine wickets later, they had come off completely.

Jacques Kallis nicked one from Sharma and did his best to con Russell Tiffin by walking full circle with his back to the umpire; Taylor, a star in the making, slapped Amarnath to cover; Mark Boucher skewed Gony to third man, where Mike Hussey made a tricky catch look easy; Dravid failed to get the benefit of the doubt - Gony's shout looked high - and departed first ball; and Virat Kohli lost his leg-stump to the deserving Albie Morkel. The rest seemed determined to run themselves out. "It was one of those days," said Dravid. The locals might be forgiven for thinking it was actually one of the Groundhog Days.

In all, nine wickets fell for 63 in 52 balls. When one of the advertising boards collapsed just before the post-match ceremony, knocking over a trophy in the process, it seemed strangely symbolic. This is a side that might still be scarred from the pummelling it received from Brendon McCullum here nine days ago. But the problem goes deeper than that. Well though Jaffer played, there is only one genuine Twenty20 batsman in the side and that's Taylor, who is about to join up with New Zealand's tour of England. Pugnacious he may be, but Boucher can't be expected to win matches on a regular basis by himself.

The sight of Dravid coming in at No. 7 after he had opened in the previous three games suggests the kind of muddled thinking that does not befit a side with Dravid and Martin Crowe at the helm. The Super Kings, by contrast, were able to slot in Mike Hussey and Mahendra Singh Dhoni after Matthew Hayden, and have Stephen Fleming still to come - batsmen who hit the ball in different places and hit it very hard indeed. If just one of them had been playing for the home side tonight, Bangalore might have won.

Instead, they have now lost three games out of four and Dravid, who - as an icon player - had a say in the selection of his squad - is scratching his head. Bangalore are not yet in crisis territory. But if they lose in Delhi on Wednesday, they just might be.

B'lore's poor run continues .... while Chennai is powering on

Rahul Dravid, the Royal Challengers captain, rued the defeat and his own personal form after making his second successive first-ball duck. "I don't know what form I'm in," Dravid said. "It was sad to get a duck again and in Twenty20 matches you hardly get time to settle down.

thats why you pick players in form and the ones who get going asap, duh

 

[Arjun]

Bravo is not a dud in t20 by any means...(although Ronchi is, they should play Bosman in his place though, replacing one of the mediocre alrounders by Pinal)

Bravo's only strength has been his batting, and he's only scored in bits and pieces. His bowling has still been dreadful, often match-losing, and no different from locals such as Nayar and Gaurav Dhiman- but Vikrant, Musavir and Siddharth are in a different league altogether- the make-up-the-numbers league.

 

[biased indian]

guys, is sachin playin 2day?...any updates?

heard he will play today

 

[Arjun]

thats why you pick players in form and the ones who get going asap, duh

I wonder...what can Kallis do in a T20 that Cameron White can't?

 

[ret]

I wonder...what can Kallis do in a T20 that Cameron White can't?

well according to some, Kallis brings in class and substance in T20

and in T20, Kallis and Dravid are > Sehwag, Uthappa, Taylor, Watson, Symo, Gilly and co