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***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

Dusty Lee

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Exciting cricket is about two things, competition between bat and ball and general competitiveness between the two teams. High scoring matches rarely provide either.
Well today we saw over 600 runs scored and you can't tell me that that is not more entertaining, which were my words, than watching a team struggling at 3 runs per over and getting bowled out cheaply. The punters don't want blocking and leaving in a one day game, they want runs and lots of them and thats what puts bums on seats and today thankfully they were given a track they could score runs on and cricket was the winner.
 
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pasag

RTDAS
Well today we saw over 600 runs scored and you can't tell me that that is not more entertaining, which were my words, than watching a team struggling at 3 runs per over and getting bowled out cheaply. The punters don't want blocking and leaving in a one day game, they want runs and lots of them and thats what puts bums on seats and today thankfully they were given a track they could score runs on and cricket was the winner.
I didn't find today too exciting at all tbh. Besides a few moments in the Indian chase when it looked like India could pull it off, the result was never really in doubt. Whereas quite a few of the lower scoring matches were heart in mouth stuff.
 

Dusty Lee

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I didn't find today too exciting at all tbh. Besides a few moments in the Indian chase when it looked like India could pull it off, the result was never really in doubt. Whereas quite a few of the lower scoring matches were heart in mouth stuff.
You miss my point, I am talking about entertainment, watching the aussies put on 300+ in the first innings was a hell of alot better than watching a team struggle to 200 or less, and those low scoring games never got that close in the end.
 

ret

International Debutant
I didn't watch the game but I can say it is one of the better games in the CB series

Some of the OZ players who were not amongst the runs got a few, while Lee got another 5 wkt haul

For Ind, the fight back was good with the young guns firing. Gambhir & Uthappa once again showed their values

It's much better to see Ind go down fighting with the young guys in it. I hv been pissed with the all-star Ind line up with Dravid and Ganguly doing nothing but losing ODI series over the past yr, right from the series in RSA to Eng [overseas series]. It was a boon that the big 3 decided not to go to the 20-20 WC

Of the big 3, Tendulkar is the only one i would support for a place in the ODIs. But he has been poor in this series so far. It's time for him to deliver. He still has 3 games to make an impact. Sehwag and Yuvraj need to pull up their socks

cheers
 
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pasag

RTDAS
You miss my point, I am talking about entertainment, watching the aussies put on 300+ in the first innings was a hell of alot better than watching a team struggle to 200 or less, and those low scoring games never got that close in the end.
A contest between bat and ball is alot more entertaining than constant boundaries on a flat pitch which tests the batsmen very little and completely eliminates the efforts of the bowlers. These matches are fine every once in a while, but on the whole they get very boring very quickly especially as most of the time the result isn't in doubt.

I think I remember the commentators saying a heap of people left the ground early, so they've voted with their feet as well. I don't buy the ODI cricket needs constant scores of 300+ to survive either, ODIs need good contests to survive, that's something when the batting side posts a massive score first up, often doesn't happen.

From a cricketing perspective, lively pitches give the batsmen the ability to show what they're made of in difficult circumstances and as I said before, the cream really does rise to the top. If Ponting made his ton today on a different track, it would have been so much greater than what it was (not taking much away from it though). Cricket is about competition between bat and ball, take away the latter and you've got Twenty20s. ODI cricket trying to mimic Twenty20 will not help its cause either, it will hasten its downfall.
 

Dusty Lee

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
It's much better to see Ind go down fighting with the young guys in it. I hv been pissed with the all-star Ind line up with Dravid and Ganguly doing nothing but losing imp series over the past yr, right from the series in RSA to Eng [overseas series]. It was a boon that the big 3 decided not to go to the 20-20 WC

Of the big 3, Tendulkar is the only one i would support for a place in the ODIs.

cheers
I think you are dead right and come the next world cup (in the 50 over form that is) India will be so much better off for giving these young blokes the experience now rather than in a year or two when Dravid and Gangully retire anyway, good forward thinking by Indian cricket I think.
 

Dusty Lee

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
A contest between bat and ball is alot more entertaining than constant boundaries on a flat pitch which tests the batsmen very little and completely eliminates the efforts of the bowlers. These matches are fine every once in a while, but on the whole they get very boring very quickly especially as most of the time the result isn't in doubt.

I think I remember the commentators saying a heap of people left the ground early, so they've voted with their feet as well. I don't buy the ODI cricket needs constant scores of 300+ to survive either, ODIs need good contests to survive, that's something when the batting side posts a massive score first up, often doesn't happen.

From a cricketing perspective, lively pitches give the batsmen the ability to show what they're made of in difficult circumstances and as I said before, the cream really does rise to the top. If Ponting made his ton today on a different track, it would have been so much greater than what it was (not taking much away from it though). Cricket is about competition between bat and ball, take away the latter and you've got Twenty20s. ODI cricket trying to mimic Twenty20 will not help its cause either, it will hasten its downfall.
Well I don't know who made you an authority on what a contest is but that is your opinion and thats fair enough, we will have to agree to disagree here because i think the game needs to flow more to give the entertainment other wise they may aswell wear there whites and play with a red ball because all you really have is one day test cricket. But thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
But thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
I always find people stamping their feet and stating their right to an opinion amusing, particularly on a forum. No-one is telling you that you don't have a right to your opinion, Dusty Lee - what they are doing is giving their opinion on your opinion, and in this case, pasag believes it to be wrong.

As much as you're entitled to your opinion on anything you post about, everyone else is entitled to the opinion, if they so choose to take it, that your opinion is stupid, wrong, idiotic, illogical, typical of a certain mindset or whatever - again, if that's what they choose to believe.

The irony of these sorts of posts is that they rarely respond to someone telling them they don't have an opinion, but in fact they reply to someone else's opinion in itself. The point of this forum is to give your point of view, read the points of view of others and, if they just happen to conflict, debate them. If someone disagrees with you, they aren't denying your right to an opinion; they are excersing their own.

The post I quoted actually wasn't so much of an offender in this issue as you actually said you'd agree to disagree you and acknowledged it was his opinion, however the last line grinds my gears to be cliche CW about it.
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Seriously, did they bring Raina and Tiwary all the way to Australia to sit on the bench?
Sitting on the bench this tournament certainly inflated their values for the ipl.so that is a positive.
Besides it gives them experience of touring australia and learning from likes of tendulkar and they will be better for it rather than playing the english lions in the duleep trophy.
More than these two i am surprised piyush chawla has not been played as he can be efeective leggie in these types of conditions.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Seriously, did they bring Raina and Tiwary all the way to Australia to sit on the bench?
Someone has to do it. You can't play 14 players in a match and you can't select a squad of 11. They were brought over as part of the squad to cover for injuries. Again, someone has to do it, and I'm sure they'd have taken this opportunity over not coming at all.

And before you quote the second sentence of this post and reply with a trademark adharcric "No ****" before suggesting a rotation policy, that'd make as much sense as dropping Ganguly for being a liability in the field and then picking Munaf Patel. Oh wait..
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Well today we saw over 600 runs scored and you can't tell me that that is not more entertaining, which were my words, than watching a team struggling at 3 runs per over and getting bowled out cheaply. The punters don't want blocking and leaving in a one day game, they want runs and lots of them and thats what puts bums on seats and today thankfully they were given a track they could score runs on and cricket was the winner.
No, I don't find fours and sixes more entertaining than the ball beating the bat more often than not.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Sitting on the bench this tournament certainly inflated their values for the ipl.so that is a positive.
Lol, so true.

But can someone answer whether it has been mentioned about how fat Raina has become? My mate kept telling me but the first time I noticed was today.
 

ret

International Debutant
nice discussion on whats 'more entertaining' in ODIs

personally, I find a Sehwag's cut going for a 6 over the 3rd man 'more entertaining' than him edging the ball to the slip .... i find Tendulkar's straight drives 'more entertaining' than Murali's ball beating the bat and him looking in disbelief as to how the ball missed the edge

over the past few yrs, the most entertaining game for me was when Ind chased that mammoth total in the 2002 Natwest final :) .... And who can forget when Ind chased that 310 odd against Pak at Dhaka. Other memorable tournament for me was the WC03 and I found the games with good scores more entertaining then the low scoring affairs like Ind vs NZ at Joberg. Well, even the series b4 that WC in NZ was disappointingly from a general spectators' PoV coz of the greentops out there that produced low scoring games. Just to add, it was Tendulkar's 90 odd against Pak thats imprinted in most fans memory than the outstanding spell that Nehra, Zak & Srinath bowled against Eng

And I don't enjoy the low scoring games that you find in SL where the ball is turning a mile. Add to that the band playing some horrible music in the background, along with some bad commentary that compounds misery

But that is not to say that low scoring games don't provide entertainment. I m sure the 83WC final would have been a gr8 treat for Indians at that time, so would be the game where Tendulkar bowled 3 dot balls to Donald in the last over to take Ind into the final of hero Cup in early 90s

In general, for me, it's that 6 over the 3rd man thats 'more entertaining' than that ball that misses the edge

just my 2 cents

cheers
 

Jamee999

Hall of Fame Member
For me, a close match is an exciting match, be it 150 plays 145, or 150 plays 151/8, 350 plays 343 or 350 plays 352/5 [49.4].
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
So basically you like batting more than bowling.

Personally I like to see great batting vs. great bowling. And great batting exposing **** bowling, and great bowling exposing **** batting.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I for one feel that a good contest between the bat and the ball wins over a slog fest any day. A fair few of the Sahara Cup matches between India and Pakistan were some of the best one day matches I have ever watched for this very reason.
 

ret

International Debutant
Usually, a low scoring game is won by the side batting 2nd. It's not often that a side defends 170s-180s .... and when a side does manage to defend a low total, the game usually appears gr8

On the other hand, games played on batting surfaces or to a gr8 extent on sporting surfaces are usually exciting coz you don't know who is going to win even if a team gets 270. Even after being 50/3, you will find teams over-hauling that type of total or at least coming close to it .... On a flat pitch, a 310 total is still any body's game coz of the factors like extension in powerplay overs

cheers
 
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pup11

International Coach
Lol, so true.

But can someone answer whether it has been mentioned about how fat Raina has become? My mate kept telling me but the first time I noticed was today.
Yeah he is only gonna get fat, when he is going to sit on the bench and not move his clumsy ass.
 

pup11

International Coach
Usually, a low scoring game is won by the side batting 2nd. It's not often that a side defends 170s-180s .... and when a side does manage to defend a low total, the game usually appears gr8

On the other hand, games played on sporting surfaces or to a gr8 extent on batting surfaces are usually exciting coz you don't know who is going to win even if a team gets 270. Even after being 50/3, you will find teams over-hauling that type of total or at least coming close to it .... On a flat pitch, a 310 total is still any body's game coz of the factors like extension in powerplay overs

cheers
Yeah well your point is valid too, but when in all the Odi games targets of 270+ get posted, then the game starts to become a bit predictable in the sense that its all about going hammer and tonks for the batsmen and in that scenario damage control is the only thing in the minds of the bowlers, though that could be fun too like it proved out to be the case tonight's game's but a few low-scoring games now and then [between two evenly matched sides} can also be exciting.
 

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