Indian Premier League

[social]

From the perspective of the owner and from the the fans, that's what what I care about. I don't care why he does it, what he thinks of it, what he does outside it. You are bringing irrelevent considerations into the argument.

As long as they perform, no one could give a toss what the overpaid brats think about anything anyway.


Still don't get what that has to do with anything. And I bet if this continues for 10 years, you'll see kids wanting to play for an Indian city.

As Australian captain, he's guaranteed to earn more than a million bucks per year.

As one of the world's best players, he's guaranteed to get an IPL contract whether he performs or not

At this stage, he will play a handful of games and get paid $100,000 whilst stopping off between tours. It's little more than a very lucrative holiday that's guaranteed for 3 years and has zero implications for his real and better paying job - not much motivation I'm afraid

BTW, friend of mine's son is one of the world's best golfers. He earned more than $20 million in endorsements last years and gets paid quarter of a mill just to turn upto golf tourneys.

Guess what my 2 year old has in his hand, a cricket bat or a golf club?

 

[silentstriker]

As Australian captain, he's guaranteed to earn more than a million bucks per year.

As one of the world's best players, he's guaranteed to get an IPL contract whether he performs or not

You think if he doesn't perform in the IPL, he'll get a new IPL contract in three years that'll pay him regardless?

At this stage, he will play a handful of games and get paid $100,000 whilst stopping off between tours. It's little more than a very lucrative holiday that's guaranteed for 3 years and has zero implications for his real and better paying job - not much motivation I'm afraid

Again - whats your point? If he performs, he'll get another contract. If he doesn't, he won't.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Seriously, who cares whether someone is motivated or not, just as long as they perform, that is all that matters, surely.

 

[social]

You think if he doesn't perform in the IPL, he'll get a new IPL contract in three years that'll pay him regardless?




Again - whats your point? If he performs, he'll get another contract. If he doesn't, he won't.

Let's get real, this is about business as much as anything else.

If the owners can make a return on his presence, he'll get a contract even if he fails in every match.

Why do you think John Daly still gets paid to turn up to golf tournaments?

Why do you think Paris Hilton gets paid to turn up at the opening of an envelope?

Do you really think Dhoni was the best player in the auction?

This is not test cricket and it's not all about performance on the field

 

[silentstriker]

This is not test cricket and it's not all about performance on the field

Because no one has taken the field in the IPL tournament yet!. We'll see how the contracts go after three years. I would bet that people who performed will get a big increase and people who didn't will go down.

And you are deluding yourself if you think other forms of cricket are 'about the cricket'.

 

[Googenheim]

If Ponting fails to perform, he's guaranteed to be dropped like a hot potato the next time the contracts are up for negotiations.

 

[laksh_01]

Wats with Ashraful & Mortaza who were suppose to be auctioned??? Dont see their names in any team?

 

[social]

Because no one has taken the field in the IPL tournament yet!. We'll see how the contracts go after three years. I would bet that people who performed will get a big increase and people who didn't will go down.

And you are deluding yourself if you think other forms of cricket are 'about the cricket'.

Name 5 players in all of test cricket that are picked because of reasons not relating to performance

Personally, I cant think of 2 (there's probably one but I cant be bothered racking my brain trying to identify him)

 

[social]

If Ponting fails to perform, he's guaranteed to be dropped like a hot potato the next time the contracts are up for negotiations.

So if Dhoni scores a zero in every IPL match and drops every catch that comes his way in the IPL BUT is appointed Indian test captain, he wont get an IPL contract?

 

[silentstriker]

Name 5 players in all of test cricket that are picked because of reasons not relating to performance

Personally, I cant think of 2 (there's probably one but I cant be bothered racking my brain trying to identify him)

Again, IPL has not played a season - we'll see in three years when the contracts come up again regarding who gets the money and who doesn't.

 

[social]

Wats with Ashraful & Mortaza who were suppose to be auctioned??? Dont see their names in any team?

Ashraful, in particular, should've gone for big bucks as he plays every match like a 20/20

Unfortunately, the fact that India has not hosted the Bangas yet in a full tour has probably affected his marketability

Other guy that mystifies me is Misbah Ul Haq - he's bashed India recently (tests and 20/20 wc) and no metion of his whereabouts

 

[Googenheim]

So if Dhoni scores a zero in every IPL match and drops every catch that comes his way in the IPL BUT is appointed Indian test captain, he wont get an IPL contract?

If he scores and keeps pathetically each and every game, he'll end up with a reduced fee next time round. Ponting will be dropped, plain and simple. Similar to how Yuvraj won't be welcome anytime soon at Yorkshire, while lesser English cricketers will still continue representing them. Works the same way in every domestic competition with overseas professionals.

 

[social]

If he scores and keeps pathetically each and every game, he'll end up with a reduced fee next time round. Ponting will be dropped, plain and simple. Similar to how Yuvraj won't be welcome anytime soon at Yorkshire, while lesser English cricketers will still continue representing them. Works the same way in every domestic competition with overseas professionals.

Different situation here - Yuvraj's international future, until the last odi, was seriously in doubt (and he shouldnt play any more tests in the medium term) because of form.

Yet he was nominated as an "icon" by virtue of his marketability.

Ponting could fail over and again but if the return on his contract via endorsements warranted retention, he would be.

The owners need to get a return on their money, pure and simple

Yorkshire,on the other hand, needed to win to secure sponsorship, prize money etc for the club. They do not get a share from his personal endorsements

Yuvi wasnt good enough to ensure that, so wont be back anytime soon

 

[silentstriker]

Different situation here - Yuvraj's international future, until the last odi, was seriously in doubt (and he shouldnt play any more tests in the medium term) because of form.

Yet he was nominated as an "icon" by virtue of his marketability.

Ponting could fail over and again but if the return on his contract via endorsements warranted retention, he would be.

The owners need to get a return on their money, pure and simple

Yorkshire,on the other hand, needed to win to secure sponsorship, prize money etc for the club. They do not get a share from his personal endorsements

Yuvi wasnt good enough to ensure that, so wont be back anytime soon

OK, so if the EPL owners could make money by paying a person if it meant a lesser team, they wouldn't, but IPL owners would.

 

[TT Boy]

David Hussey's participation in doubt...
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/339367.html

Kolkata will not be pleased, one of the reasons he cost so much was his apparent availability.

 

[Googenheim]

Different situation here - Yuvraj's international future, until the last odi, was seriously in doubt (and he shouldnt play any more tests in the medium term) because of form.

Yet he was nominated as an "icon" by virtue of his marketability.

Ponting could fail over and again but if the return on his contract via endorsements warranted retention, he would be.

The owners need to get a return on their money, pure and simple

Yorkshire,on the other hand, needed to win to secure sponsorship, prize money etc for the club. They do not get a share from his personal endorsements

Yuvi wasnt good enough to ensure that, so wont be back anytime soon

The best endorsement is always a winning team, isn't it? It wouldn't do Red Chillies any good to run a high profile ad campaign featuring Ponting if Kolkata ended up 7th or 8th with the man himslf contributing little. Indian players were themselves in very little demand as far as advertising campaigns were concerned after the World Cup debacle, stands to reason that an Aussie great contributing little to a poor Kolkata side wouldn't stand a chance even from a marketing point of view.

 

[silentstriker]

David Hussey's participation in doubt...
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/339367.html

Kolkata will not be pleased, one of the reasons he cost so much was his apparent availability.

Yea, they won't be pleased. Of course, Dave Hussey could choose to violate the terms of his contract and pay them back in full, and he'd be better off in the IPL. That might affect his chances in the future with the counties.

 

[social]

OK, so if the EPL owners could make money by paying a person if it meant a lesser team, they wouldn't, but IPL owners would.

Last time I looked, IPL owners werent running a charity, they need to make money

As someone pointed out in the team thread, Ponting could very well end up sitting on the sidelines this year anyway because of the roster. However, should the team benefit financially from that, I doubt that the owners would care

The Counties arent in that position so it's a moot point

 

[silentstriker]

Last time I looked, IPL owners werent running a charity, they need to make money

So is the NFL, EPL, NBA, etc.

Hell, even the BCCI, a supposed non-profit entity, only cares about making money.

 

[Goughy]

So is the NFL, EPL, NBA, etc.

Hell, even the BCCI, a supposed non-profit entity, only cares about making money.

A number of NBA and EPL teams lose money. Especially the EPL (the number for NBA is about 1/3rd of teams), where teams are often an luxury toy rather than a profit making business.