***Official*** New Zealand in Australia

[NZTailender]

Yeah agreed, Scott needs to get a game sooner or later. Ditto Thompson. Though I think they're more test bowlers than limited overs, but I'd like to see what they can do.

 

[Zinzan]

why are NZ allowed to play us?

Umm, so they have the right to challenge for the chappell-hadlee since you were humiliated 3-nil less than around 10 months ago, short memory you have lad

 

[Craig]

The commentary is terrible. When it falls on Slater, Healy and Nicholas you really do miss Richie, Bill and Tony. Slater and Heals are so cringeworthy in my opinion - and I know I'm part of the minority who hate Nicholas.

Brayshaw started out OK - but by the end left you wondering whether he was leaving his wife for Roy.

And has lead his AFL club to a slow death, yeah you have to wonder...

 

[Craig]

why are NZ allowed to play us?

'Us?'

I never knew you played for Australia.

 

[Craig]

It wasn't just an ordinary random state player who got picked it was Pomers who is one of the most talented young players in Australian cricket atm, so that further shows how strong the depth of the Australian cricket is.

So why aren't there any good Australian spinners who average less then 35 bar MacGill? I mean Hogg averages 38 and we are also considering a bloke who is 35 and has played only a handful of FC games no matter how well he has bowled.

 

[sideshowtim]

'Us?'

I never knew you played for Australia.

He is Australian though, and the Australian cricket team represent the nation of Australia.

Always annoys me when people have a problem with others saying 'us' when it comes to sports teams.

 

[sideshowtim]

So why aren't there any good Australian spinners who average less then 35 bar MacGill? I mean Hogg averages 38 and we are also considering a bloke who is 35 and has played only a handful of FC games no matter how well he has bowled.

Oh please. The depth in every single department bar spin bowling is remarkable.

 

[Craig]

He is Australian though, and the Australian cricket team represent the nation of Australia.

Always annoys me when people have a problem with others saying 'us' when it comes to sports teams.

To me it makes as though you play for them. It is him that I problem with though, he is the biggest troll I've seen in a while.

And I was talking about spin, not about bloody fast bowlers or batsmen.

 

[burr]

Gilly loves it. He's clearly hankering after a spot in the Channel 9 commentory box. Was totally biased but no surprise in that.

Just felt like clarifying, I meant Channel 9 was biased, not Gilly. I enjoyed Gilly. The whole game felt like one big joke (in a good way)...and that's the spirit I reckon 20/20 should be played in.

 

[Smudge]

Gillespie shouldn't play ODI's. Just 20/20 and tests. The reason he should play 20/20 is because of that ripper of a yorker that he can bowl. Mills probably shouldn't play 20/20 because he really isn't a good death bowler.

I'd like to see that bloke Bradley Scott get a game, he's been hanging around the team for a while now and would be far far better than Martin in ODI's. He's a bit like Jimmy Franklin but with more variation and better control but not the same amount of swing and has around Kyle Mills' pace and batting ability. That seems to be the general consensus from commentators and CWers anyway. In good form ATM too.

Bradley (and yes, pup11, I know him, so I can use his first name...) isn't that brisk. He would have been euphemistically called "medium" a few years ago when I faced him, and while he's quickened up a bit, I'd say he's struggling to crack 130kmh. Feisty, competitive allround cricketer though.

 

[iamdavid]

What an absolute load of tripe. Pomers is one of the hardest working cricketers on his game in Australia, and anyone who has been anywhere near the Academy will testify to this. He obviously has a huge passion for the game, and has achieved some bloody massive things already. Sure he loves sinking piss, but how many 23 year olds in our culture don't really?

Didn't seem very professional? No CA contract means he'd have an incredibly small amount of idea of how to deal with the media and act in interviews because of no training. Couple this with the fact that 5 hours before hand he was probably looking forward to kick back with a nice relaxing evening at the cricket...

Before he even played a first-class game he had scored centuries against England and South African attacks featuring all of their bowlers! Magnificent talent and will definitely play for Australia for some time at all levels.

I was not questioning his talent, obviously has a huge amount of natural ability to put up some of the performances he has so early in his career.
I have honestly not seen enough of him to form a solid opinion (as I doubt most people have), however those are just my early impressions of him, he reminds me of Cosgrove in that he obviously has all the talent anyone could want however he seems a bit wayward and to me he dosent really fit this modern mould of ultra-proffesional, all-bases-covered Australian cricketers the way someone like Voges seems to...

And he would have been given reasonably detailed instruction on dealing with the media despite not having a CA contract as he has spent time at the academy (as you point out) and I believe thats one of the things they place alot of emphasis on there...

Also nothing wrong with sinking the piss, however sinking the piss at inappropriate times (must mean before matches or major training sessions otherwise nobody would care) during three consecutive seasons and being very slow to take the warnings on board does hint at a bit of a slack attitude.

I'm not saying I dont think he'll succeed or that I think he's rubbish or that I dislike him in any way, this is just the impression Ive developed from what I've seen, heard and read of him so far.

 

[vic_orthdox]

So why aren't there any good Australian spinners who average less then 35 bar MacGill? I mean Hogg averages 38 and we are also considering a bloke who is 35 and has played only a handful of FC games no matter how well he has bowled.

Shane Warne averages 35 in Sheffield Shield/Pura Cup cricket.

 

[Matt79]

And has lead his AFL club to a slow death, yeah you have to wonder...

Bitter...

 

[pup11]

So why aren't there any good Australian spinners who average less then 35 bar MacGill? I mean Hogg averages 38 and we are also considering a bloke who is 35 and has played only a handful of FC games no matter how well he has bowled.

I never said we are perfect mate!

 

[sideshowtim]

I was not questioning his talent, obviously has a huge amount of natural ability to put up some of the performances he has so early in his career.
I have honestly not seen enough of him to form a solid opinion (as I doubt most people have), however those are just my early impressions of him, he reminds me of Cosgrove in that he obviously has all the talent anyone could want however he seems a bit wayward and to me he dosent really fit this modern mould of ultra-proffesional, all-bases-covered Australian cricketers the way someone like Voges seems to...

And he would have been given reasonably detailed instruction on dealing with the media despite not having a CA contract as he has spent time at the academy (as you point out) and I believe thats one of the things they place alot of emphasis on there...

Also nothing wrong with sinking the piss, however sinking the piss at inappropriate times (must mean before matches or major training sessions otherwise nobody would care) during three consecutive seasons and being very slow to take the warnings on board does hint at a bit of a slack attitude.

I'm not saying I dont think he'll succeed or that I think he's rubbish or that I dislike him in any way, this is just the impression Ive developed from what I've seen, heard and read of him so far.

You're forgetting that Voges has a good 5 years on him. I'm sure Pomersbach will be a very different cricketer then. Hopefully his experience in the Australian team acts as a carrot in that he won't mess up anymore since he's had a taste of what he can achieve...It'll probably just make him even more hungry to get there.

 

[NZTailender]

We were missing 5 or 6 of our key players TBH but losing to them 3 zip was a bit embarrassing especially losing after piling up huge totals. Well disappointed that Noffers didn't get much of chance show his skills (batting or bowling) in this game.

3 - Ponting, Lee and Gilchrist. We're missing Fulton, Franklin and Bond. Fleming and McMillan have retired. If we lose, we have that as our excuse if you have that as your excuse for losing to us 3-0

 

[Flem274*]

3 - Ponting, Lee and Gilchrist. We're missing Fulton, Franklin and Bond. Fleming and McMillan have retired. If we lose, we have that as our excuse if you have that as your excuse for losing to us 3-0

I want Fulton and Fleming back damn it.

 

[Flem274*]

Anyone hear this on the radio last night?:

*Matt Gun and caller whining about Bond being injured*

Caller: "So he's out?"

Matt Gun: "yup"

Caller: "Is Martin still there?"

Matt Gun: "Yeah but he's not in the team"

Caller: "Oh no we're going to lose now to the Aussies, he's our best bowler"

Matt Gun: "Yeah he's come a long way now as a bowler"

Honestly, it's no wonder we struggle when people are so misinformed.

 

[Raghav]

Anyone hear this on the radio last night?:

*Matt Gun and caller whining about Bond being injured*

Caller: "So he's out?"

Matt Gun: "yup"

Caller: "Is Martin still there?"

Matt Gun: "Yeah but he's not in the team"

Caller: "Oh no we're going to lose now to the Aussies, he's our best bowler"

Matt Gun: "Yeah he's come a long way now as a bowler"

Honestly, it's no wonder we struggle when people are so misinformed.

Funny conversation though! Matt not able to say that the other one is wrong on that occassion

 

[Natman20]

Lets be honest. Franklin is no more handy to us than Gillespie is IMO. Their stats normally end up pretty similar.

Fulton yes would make a big difference but so should have Styris and Taylor. Taylor is heading for a dropping at the moment. Expect to see him being replaced with Fulton or else Vincent although I believe Vincent still has something left after his great form before the world cup. IMO New Zealand would have been outclassed anyway.

McMillan is a great loss obviously in the T20 format. He seems to be very capable in this format and has scored a few 50s in domestic cricket and did pretty good in T20i champs as well as the ICL.

Bond has lost a lot of spark and his opening spells don't take wickets anymore but still he is twice as good as any NZ bowler bar Mills and Vettori in ODIs.

I think we need the Bangladesh tour to come so we can restore some confidence.