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[Barney Rubble]

the jeff/HHH feud is the one i'm most interested in actually, would be great boost for him were he to win, and imo he should one day hold the world title for a period, albeit perhaps not a particularly long one, but if rey mysterio can have a reign then jeff sure should as well.

theres something about kennedy that has just began to grate with me, i cant quite work out what it is, but somehow this new "intense" persona he's been given irritates me as well, i enjoyed it when he was more of a loud mouth just ranting and insulting the fans/the town/whoever etc... rather than this crazy person they portray him as, he's not done much of any note in the ring recently either which doesnt help.

But yeah, nice to see the crowd responding well to Finlay, quite enjoying watching MVP at the moment actually, great on the mic and pretty decent in ring, another the E have no doubt marked up as a future world champ, shame about the goofy attire required to hide his stupid tatoos mind

Haha, yeah, it does make me laugh about MVP that they have to make him wear the Power Ranger outfit. I do quite like how they have him come out wearing suits and stuff quite often though, it fits his "highest paid man on SD!" gimmick. He's great on the mic, can see him being a good face when the time comes in a couple of years.

As for Kennedy, he's a strange one. He's clearly got a hell of a lot of talent on the mic - search on YouTube for "Kennedy Declares" and you'll see some of his very first promo segments, which got cut because he was supposed to be a heel and they were so funny he got huge pops for them. Another thing I like about him is he's always kayfabing, even in public appearances and stuff he'll be shouting at fans, telling them to shut up, doing his announcing thing etc, unlike some heels who smile for the camera and act all nice and normal, and completely ruin their on-screen persona. Or some who are just natural ****s, e.g. Orton. Ken K's not too special in the ring, but if he got more ring time with experienced guys rather than the likes of Brian Kendrick he might improve. Hopefully his feud with HBK will do the same thing for him that his feud with 'Taker did - lift him to another level.

And yeah, I'm all for Jeff holding the title at some point. There aren't many guys who've put their body on the line for the company as much as he has, and I really think he's a lot more mature since his recent suspension.

 

[Barney Rubble]

it was a poster for Cena vs Beckham, obviously a joke, but tbh stranger things have happened lol.

David Arquette springs to mind there.

 

[sledger]

David Arquette springs to mind there.

haha and dennis rodman joining the NWO.

 

[sledger]

I do quite like how they have him come out wearing suits

i think the wearing if suits is underated imo, makes the whole thing seem a bit more realistic for mine, creates the impression that there is something other to the wrestlers than them simply being circus acts, and that there is more going on behind the scenes than all the crappy promo's were are so often subject to.... i mean Orton used to wear a suit all the time, and evolution as a whole looked pretty cool i thought.

but back to awful promos, did you see the hornswoggle/carlito segment on last weeks RAW, i mean FFS!!! spray painting a hole on the wall then running through it, AAAAAAAAGH! i know its meant to be a joke, but that is the kind of thing that pisses me off, esspecially when the company is meant to be taken at least semi seriously on some level.

 

[Barney Rubble]

i think the wearing if suits is underated imo, makes the whole thing seem a bit more realistic for mine, creates the impression that there is something other to the wrestlers than them simply being circus acts, and that there is more going on behind the scenes than all the crappy promo's were are so often subject to.... i mean Orton used to wear a suit all the time, and evolution as a whole looked pretty cool i thought.

but back to awful promos, did you see the hornswoggle/carlito segment on last weeks RAW, i mean FFS!!! spray painting a hole on the wall then running through it, AAAAAAAAGH! i know its meant to be a joke, but that is the kind of thing that pisses me off, esspecially when the company is meant to be taken at least semi seriously on some level.

Yeah, that's ridiculous, that kind of thing. One thing I would point out though is that while it may seem like so many of the promos and skits that run these days, such as that one, and so many of the gimmicks, face or heel, are designed only to elicit reactions from children, Vince McMahon is a very clever man.

He knows that while it may not please the smarks to see Cena winning all the time, to see Batista constantly in the title picture and constantly losing, or to see talented guys like Carlito being buried, the smarks are ultimately not the ones who matter. Vince knows that if there are no kids growing up now who have wrestlers to look up to such as Cena, wrestlers who play to the kids' wishes rather than the smarks, then these kids won't carry on watching wrestling into their 20s, and the company will die out. Vince is aware that the company's product needs to cater to all ages - part the reason why the Attitude Era was so good was that from 1990-1996, there were kids growing up watching characters like Hogan, 'Taker, Bret Hart and HBK, characters who appealed to them. These kids then got older and the company got older with them.

As painful as it may be to see skits like the one you mentioned, sometimes it's necessary. Just like Cena is necessary and just like the endless pushing of talentless monsters like Khali is necessary. It's frustrating, but with any luck in five years' time we'll see the company reap the rewards of the fairly shocking couple of years it's had, at least from a smark's point of view.

 

[Majin]

Seriously dudes, try and find some of Khali's stuff from new japan or something like that, he's so much better than how he is in WWE when he was allowed to actually get hurt and stuff, and do more than three moves.

APA back on RAW last night, I bet that was awesome. Can't wait to see it.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Seriously dudes, try and find some of Khali's stuff from new japan or something like that, he's so much better than how he is in WWE when he was allowed to actually get hurt and stuff, and do more than three moves.

APA back on RAW last night, I bet that was awesome. Can't wait to see it.

Yeah, I've seen Khali wrestle Giant Silva in New Japan and he wasn't as bad. That match was worth it just for the sight of two 7ft 2in plus guys going at it. I think Giant Silva's finisher was a top rope move as well, which is at least entertaining. Actually, on that subject, I read somewhere that Big Show used to be able to do a moonsault when he was about 25 and weighed about 380 pounds - I've gotta see that.

 

[Agent TBY]

Mr. Kennedy has stopped doing the Green Bay Plunge, hasn't he? Thank goodness for that, every time I saw him prepare for the move, I thought he might kill himself one time or the other. Gun move, though.

Kennedy....

 

[Barney Rubble]

Mr. Kennedy has stopped doing the Green Bay Plunge, hasn't he? Thank goodness for that, every time I saw him prepare for the move, I thought he might kill himself one time or the other. Gun move, though.

Kennedy....

I think so, yeah. With any luck he'll still pull it out from time to time - it is pretty awesome - but just not as a finisher. It takes so long to set up and is so dangerous that it's not really worth the trouble of doing it every match. In his match against Brian Kendrick last week he used a sort of STO/Legsweep thing, very similar to the Downward Spiral Edge used to use. Kendrick sold it very well, made it look pretty damn painful by literally smashing his own face right into the mat. I read somewhere that the new move might be called the Flatliner, but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

 

[Majin]

Ah the Flatliner, man I miss Kanyon. WHO BETTA' THAN KANYON? Nobody!

It's good he got a new move, though. Using the "Kenton bomb" was fine when Jeff Hardy was out, but now he's back it just makes Kennedy's version look like utter ****e.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Ah the Flatliner, man I miss Kanyon. WHO BETTA' THAN KANYON? Nobody!

It's good he got a new move, though. Using the "Kenton bomb" was fine when Jeff Hardy was out, but now he's back it just makes Kennedy's version look like utter ****e.

Ah, if the Flatliner is someone else's name for the move then I doubt that's what Ken calls it. I'd imagine he'll end up calling it something like the Green Bay Drop, or maybe the J.F.K. (Just Finished by Kennedy) as that's what the Plunge used to be called apparently.

And yeah, the Kenton Bomb was always a bit crap. Although when he did it at WM23 and basically landed on the back of his head on a ladder, you had to give him props for taking that blow. He's a tough nut, Kennedy - watch his match with Batista at the GAB '06, where he got an exposed cranium thanks to Batista being a careless idiot when bashing his head into the steps, and yet he continued for the remaining 10-12mins as if nothing had happened.

 

[Majin]

Yeah I just watched that match at WM23 this weekend, always makes me wince when he cracks his head off the ladder doing that.

Actually one of the most harshest things I ever saw was when Shane McMahon fought Kane in that one Ambulence match and one of them slammed the ambulence door into the other ones face while they were on their knees (can't remember who). God damn that looked so brutal

 

[Agent TBY]

I always thought Shane O'Mac had incredible grapefruits to take those painful looking moves he did take. KOTR '00 comes to mind. He also did crazy elbow drops off the craziest places, like the Titantron or a ladder in the ring onto the announcer's table. His Mac Terminator is pretty awesome too, even if it pales in comparison to the original.

He always looked dead after those moves, and I don't whether to think he was actually selling that well, or to think he was actually near well killed. He's awesome though, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Too bad we'll never see him do such things again, what with him becoming a father. Good for him, though.

If Vince ever does decide to hand over the reigns to his son, I believe we'll see an awesome product. Who'd believe he was the one who actually convinced his dad to bring about the Attitude era? It's such a shame Shane and Steph's roles aren't reversed.

 

[Athlai]

How about Flair to beat Orton with some help from Y2J, Flair then retires.

 

[ohtani's jacket]

Vince is aware that the company's product needs to cater to all ages - part the reason why the Attitude Era was so good was that from 1990-1996, there were kids growing up watching characters like Hogan, 'Taker, Bret Hart and HBK, characters who appealed to them. These kids then got older and the company got older with them..

I dunno about that... Most people stopped watching in the early 90s... When people got back into wrestling in '96-98, most of them hadn't watched it since it started dying out in the late 80s. Wrestling has far more casual fans than long time fans. The Attitude era happened because the stuff Vince was doing post-steriod trial wasn't drawing, and WCW got a massive boost when Hall & Nash jumped & started breaking kayfabe. Then Hogan turned heel & Nitro exploded.

 

[Matt79]

I always thought Shane O'Mac had incredible grapefruits to take those painful looking moves he did take. KOTR '00 comes to mind. He also did crazy elbow drops off the craziest places, like the Titantron or a ladder in the ring onto the announcer's table. His Mac Terminator is pretty awesome too, even if it pales in comparison to the original.

He always looked dead after those moves, and I don't whether to think he was actually selling that well, or to think he was actually near well killed. He's awesome though, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Too bad we'll never see him do such things again, what with him becoming a father. Good for him, though.

If Vince ever does decide to hand over the reigns to his son, I believe we'll see an awesome product. Who'd believe he was the one who actually convinced his dad to bring about the Attitude era? It's such a shame Shane and Steph's roles aren't reversed.

Agree - his fight with Kurt Angle where he went through the plate glass under the big screen was nuts, especially given he's not a full time pro...

 

[Agent TBY]

Agree - his fight with Kurt Angle where he went through the plate glass under the big screen was nuts, especially given he's not a full time pro...

Haha, the plate glass refused to break when it was supposed to, and Shane, who was taking an over-head belly to belly juts had nowhere to go but land on his head. I heard he blacked out for quite a while after that.

Kurt, being the awesomely hardcore freak he is, did the move again anyway.

 

[Matt79]

Then threw him through ANOTHER plate glass window....

Got the "Holy ****! Holy ****!" chants going anyway.

Here's the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdlLDiPdgw&feature=related

 

[Barney Rubble]

Haha, the plate glass refused to break when it was supposed to, and Shane, who was taking an over-head belly to belly juts had nowhere to go but land on his head. I heard he blacked out for quite a while after that.

Kurt, being the awesomely hardcore freak he is, did the move again anyway.

Haha, yeah, Angle just kept throwing him. I think he did it three times and it still didn't break, then finally he just stood him up and pushed him through it head first.

 

[sledger]

Yeah I just watched that match at WM23 this weekend, always makes me wince when he cracks his head off the ladder doing that.

Actually one of the most harshest things I ever saw was when Shane McMahon fought Kane in that one Ambulence match and one of them slammed the ambulence door into the other ones face while they were on their knees (can't remember who). God damn that looked so brutal

I think the most brutal botch i've seen was when Joey Mercury got hit in the eye with a ladder, that looked terrible, blood actually pouring out of his face all over the place and his face/eye swollen up to make him look unrecognisable, poor sod, lost most of the sight in his left eye because of that.