kiwipostereborn
Banned
Nah mccullum is better at playing new ball than vincent.
Bat vincent at 4. plus imo mccullum is a long term top 3 batsman for us.
Bat vincent at 4. plus imo mccullum is a long term top 3 batsman for us.
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Flem274*
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Based on what exactly?
Just been looking through our international batsmens FC records. Geez most of them are dire. I would have though more than a couple of them would average over 40.
Also, how did Gillespie get in the ODI side with an average of 30 and an eco rate of 5 in List A? His FC record is good though give the man a test.
kiwipostereborn
Banned
Based on when ive seen them play vs the new ball.
Also Mccullum used to bat high in the order at under 19 level successfully.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He bowled well in the first innings. Just because he couldn't hack leading the attack once the batting order had failed him. Nah. The bowlers ain't to blame for the deficiencies of the batting order. You're all holding out O'Brien as a scapegoat for the inability of the Blackcaps batting line up.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Out of the batsman in our Test team it's just Fleming I think.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Oh yeah. Very comparable.
I think I may have just pissed myself at the prospect of Brendon McCullum being the new Alec Stewart.
A Bracewell Batting line-up:
McCullum
Mills
Vettori
Franklin
Oram
Styris
Hopkins
McGlashan
Martin
Vincent
Patel
kiwipostereborn
Banned
Mccullum and mills >>> papps and cumming. Real talk.
Matt52
U19 Vice-Captain
Just reading through the comments on here about nz cricket and it seems were in for a pretty rough few years, Dont mind McCullum having a go opening in odis but test matches would be a bit tough,
Im praying that Bracewell chooses Ryder but I dont think he will. Braces seems like one of those guys that had more will to succeed than talent, and imo he wont look too kindly upon someone like Ryder with loads of talent but (in the past anyway)a dubious attitude.
He would probably favour a guy who would lay down and die for the cause rather than a better player who doesnt... I think that explains a few of his selections...
Itll be very interesting who he calls up,, whoever it is I think this series is a hopeless cause so why not blood a young guy like Ryder with nothing to lose,,,Id be happy with Broom or Nicol ( as opening candidates ) as well
Im praying that Bracewell chooses Ryder but I dont think he will. Braces seems like one of those guys that had more will to succeed than talent, and imo he wont look too kindly upon someone like Ryder with loads of talent but (in the past anyway)a dubious attitude.
He would probably favour a guy who would lay down and die for the cause rather than a better player who doesnt... I think that explains a few of his selections...
Itll be very interesting who he calls up,, whoever it is I think this series is a hopeless cause so why not blood a young guy like Ryder with nothing to lose,,,Id be happy with Broom or Nicol ( as opening candidates ) as well
Flem274*
123/5
What a joke. Dream on pal.
McCullum gets out for about 15-16 trying to smash the ball out of the ground in ODI's. At least Vincent can score ODI centuries FFS. Don't even get me started on the McCullum and Mills vs Papps and Cumming. If McCullum and Mills ever open in tests the selectors deserve to be shot.
Your posts are a typical example of the ODI loving public that think that because a player can hit big and play all the shots they must have extreme talent and are the best players in the team. McCullum will never succeed as an opener in tests, especially since he can't even stay in in ODI's. Debate closed. Permanently.
Flem274*
123/5
As long as they successfully open in FC first.
I agree with your post, that sounds alot like Bracewells thinking. I think the next four years are going to be tough but after that we get some real talent:
These guys will be around the NZ team in four years:
Jesse Ryder
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
Greg Hay
Rob Nicol
Peter Fulton
Shannon Stewart
David Houpapa
Michael Papps
Todd Astle
Colin De Gronholmme (spelling error?)
Brendan McCullum
Kruger Van Wyk
Jacob Oram
James Franklin
Tim Southee
Daniel Vettori
Jeetan Patel
Hamish Bennet
Mark Gillespie
Matthew Harvie
James McMillan
With Corey Anderson and Kane Williamson starting up in FC cricket and they'll probably push for places a couple years on too.
These are just guesses based on talent and for most of these youngsters, the begginings of their FC records. But this lot are by general consensus (and a splash of my own opinion) the players of the future. And I tell you what, I have a hunch that they will be a hell of a lot better than some of the current players.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The latest word on the street is that Tim Southee's bulked up a bit over the off season and has gained 5-10 kmph. Here's hoping he stays fit.
Oh. And the Otago coach is putting up Aaron Redmond's hand as the next cab off the rank for the openers spot.
Oh. And the Otago coach is putting up Aaron Redmond's hand as the next cab off the rank for the openers spot.
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Flem274*
123/5
Thats good news.
Perm
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Amla secures his place in the side for a few more Tests with that 176*. He really needed that knock, and fortunately for him he was able to cash in very heavily after he was dropped on 2. It came just at the right time too, with several other batsman knocking on the door and pushing for Test selection.
As it is, I think it's about time South Africa got rid of Herschelle Gibbs. You just need to look at his last ten matches to see the kind of inconsistency he is producing, with nine single figure scores in his last 19 innings. There have been a couple of good innings, with four fifties and two scores in the 90's, but really he isn't producing the runs that South Africa need. With AB de Villiers also capable of opening the innings, but struggling badly for form, I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of new batsman come into the side.
Boeta Dippenaar has been tried at Test level before with pretty limited success but he has been churning out the runs lately, averaging over 50 in his last domestic season and having already scored two centuries in 3 games during this season. Morne van Wyk isn't in the best of form at the moment, but has been a model of consistency in First Class cricket, averaging almost 45 over the last five seasons. Been reasonably impressive when selected in ODI cricket, and I would really like to see him given a shot at Test level. JP Duminy is another batsman whose name could be in the mix, with a superb FC record and widely regarded as one of the best young players in South Africa.
Guys like Neil McKenzie, Zander de Bruyn, Martin van Jaarsveld and Hylton Ackerman have all had chances at Test level and never fully grabbed them. They are more experienced individuals, whose credentials are impressive and usually dominate the domestic scence in South Africa. It really seems as if South Africa have a lot of batting talent to call upon, and they should make full use of this with a couple of their batsman struggling.
As it is, I think it's about time South Africa got rid of Herschelle Gibbs. You just need to look at his last ten matches to see the kind of inconsistency he is producing, with nine single figure scores in his last 19 innings. There have been a couple of good innings, with four fifties and two scores in the 90's, but really he isn't producing the runs that South Africa need. With AB de Villiers also capable of opening the innings, but struggling badly for form, I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of new batsman come into the side.
Boeta Dippenaar has been tried at Test level before with pretty limited success but he has been churning out the runs lately, averaging over 50 in his last domestic season and having already scored two centuries in 3 games during this season. Morne van Wyk isn't in the best of form at the moment, but has been a model of consistency in First Class cricket, averaging almost 45 over the last five seasons. Been reasonably impressive when selected in ODI cricket, and I would really like to see him given a shot at Test level. JP Duminy is another batsman whose name could be in the mix, with a superb FC record and widely regarded as one of the best young players in South Africa.
Guys like Neil McKenzie, Zander de Bruyn, Martin van Jaarsveld and Hylton Ackerman have all had chances at Test level and never fully grabbed them. They are more experienced individuals, whose credentials are impressive and usually dominate the domestic scence in South Africa. It really seems as if South Africa have a lot of batting talent to call upon, and they should make full use of this with a couple of their batsman struggling.
Silver Arrow
School Boy/Girl Captain
Kyle Mills will fly to South Africa as a replacement for Shane Bond
Flem274*
123/5
I thought he was injured?