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Why? Fulton at #4 and Styris at #5. That's our strongest middle order, and I'd like to see you try and argue that.
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Flem274*
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Hopkins dire OD batsman? Always thought he was a gun, or am I mixing up formats again...
Ryder's average annoys me. Proving he's a gun but too much of a **** to get selected.
With regards to McCullum, if we played the three spinners what effect do you think we would have? Could be similar to the dibbly dobbly 92 WC days.
Flem274*
123/5
Forgot Fleming isn't coming back. Got myself all over excited with the thoughts of him returning after ditching Braces.
Seriously tempted to argue TBH
Fulton
Fleming
Styris
Would be my dream middle order. But it won't happen. I'm not gonna bother to argue.
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Flem274*
123/5
Well you've got me converted. Its not as though many of our seamers can claim to be better.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Ya-huh. Fulton scores centuries at #4, Taylor scores them at #3. Natural positions for both, I wouldn't mess with them ITBT.
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Styris has only played once at 3, hit 48 against Zimbabwe years ago.
Forgot Fleming isn't coming back. Got myself all over excited with the thoughts of him returning after ditching Braces.
Seriously tempted to argue TBH
Fulton
Fleming
Styris
Would be my dream middle order. But it won't happen. I'm not gonna bother to argue.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Still worried about Taylors hot/cold form TBH, but I spose the reliability of Fulton and Styris can cover him for till he settles down a bit more on the international stage.
Flem274*
123/5
Was meaning Fulton at 3, Fleming at 4 and Styris at 5.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Flem274*
123/5
I agree.
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Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Indeed. You have to place a bit of faith in Taylor, IMO, as he has shown what he can do and will continue to grow his game.
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Has the chance to claim the #3 spot for Test cricket, but is better off at #5 in ODIs.
Flem274*
123/5
I certainly hope so. As much as his inconsistency annoys me it would be great if he become a consistent opposition destroyer.
I don't rate his chances of ever being much of a decent test batsman until he tidies up his technique and improves his temperament though.
Flem274*
123/5
I think Fulton has that role until Fleming leaves TBH
Athlai
Not Terrible
Vincent opening 33.64
Since 2005 opening 37.22
Papps opening 51
Doesn't look all that bad really.
Prince EWS
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It's a different game these days. Different pitches, different requirements, different tactics. Bangladesh have often gone into games with three very respectable spinners and they've simply not been effective due to the roles they have to play with the lack of pace options, particularly in the PowerPlays which make it really hard for spinners.
Is there anything soooo wrong about Mason as an ODI player? Obviously he isn't great or anything, but he's very effective on pitches that suit him and he can be quite useful on pitches that don't providing they aren't completely flat. He doesn't have much pace but despite my comments a few years ago that he was the one of the worst bowlers I'd seen at international level, he's not that bad. He's improved his accuracy quite a bit over the last few years IMO and he does move the new ball a bit. He length is generally very, very good which is handy with the bounce he gets, even if his line strays a bit at time. His last 10 ODIs have consisted of:
10-1-50-2 v Sri Lanka
9-1-24-4 v Sri Lanka
10-1-62-0 v Sri Lanka
TDNB
10-2-46-2 v Australia
9-0-29-2 v Kenya
8-0-60-1 v Canada
6-2-14-0 v West Indies
2-1-4-0 v Bangladesh
3-0-27-0 v Australia
Again, he's obviously not a great bowler, but he's not the worst bowler ever either, and he can be quite effective at times when he gets it right. For a bowler who spends most of each tour getting cold on the sidelines, he doesn't do that badly IMO. Certainly one level about the likes of Gillespie and Franklin who regularly get picked ahead of him IMO. At least Franklin can bat I suppose.