Bracken's test chances

[Laurrz]

Haha, no point arguing with you, as you obviously haven't got the slightest clue. Just another anti-Watson moron.

i havent got the slightest clue because i think Symo is a better test option than Watto? get a grip.. i was just stating my opinion

i was at the ground when Symo did this.. something i struggle to find Watto doing

 

[Perm]

i havent got the slightest clue because i think Symo is a better test option than Watto? get a grip.. i was just stating my opinion

Well it's so blatantly obvious that Symonds isn't good enough that it's not enough, and people constantly wish to put down Watson. Getting sick of people like yourself. Symond's Test career has absolute rubbish, apart from two or three games. People rave about his century, but they seem to forget he was given three chances in that innings.

 

[Laurrz]

Well it's so blatantly obvious that Symonds isn't good enough that it's not enough, and people constantly wish to put down Watson. Getting sick of people like yourself. Symond's Test career has absolute rubbish, apart from two or three games. People rave about his century, but they seem to forget he was given three chances in that innings.

If it was another player who had proven himself in test cricket than ok... but Watto? seriously... i am also sick of ppl hyping him up when he continues to do nothing.. and yes i know he has potential

Symo struggled early on as we all know... but i feel he's got a lot to offer in the longer form.. even if Watto was fit i wouldn't drop Symo as you wouldn't drop someone who just made a century and then a 48 (scg)

Ask the Lankans or Indians who they would prefer to bowl to... you can bet who they will choose... and also they would like the half volleys Watto would dish to them to relieve the pressure too..
and who they would prefer to hit the ball to in the field..

 

[Perm]

If it was another player who had proven himself in test cricket than ok... but Watto? seriously... i am also sick of ppl hyping him up when he continues to do nothing.. and yes i know he has potential

Symo struggled early on as we all know... but i feel he's got a lot to offer in the longer form.. even if Watto was fit i wouldn't drop Symo as you wouldn't drop someone who just made a century and then a 48 (scg)

Ask the Lankans or Indians who they would prefer to bowl to... you can bet who they will choose... and also they would like the half volleys Watto would dish to them to relieve the pressure too..
and who they would prefer to hit the ball to in the field..

Watson has proven himself for Queensland, averaging almost 50 with the bat which is a fair bit more impressive than Symonds, who plays more as a batsman that Watson does. People are hyping him up because he has the potential to be a Test class all-rounder and will be one once his injuries sort themselves out.

You can drop somebody who made those runs, as he should never have registered a century and he isn't good enough. Even average players will score runs, given enough chances.

Also, if you're trying to say that Symond's bowling is better than Watson's then you need to have your head checked.

 

[Laurrz]

Watson has proven himself for Queensland, averaging almost 50 with the bat which is a fair bit more impressive than Symonds, who plays more as a batsman that Watson does. People are hyping him up because he has the potential to be a Test class all-rounder and will be one once his injuries sort themselves out.

You can drop somebody who made those runs, as he should never have registered a century and he isn't good enough. Even average players will score runs, given enough chances.

Also, if you're trying to say that Symond's bowling is better than Watson's then you need to have your head checked.

I use to believe in Watto.. but i just think there are so much players better than him atm.. i don't think he can just walk into the team.. he isn't that good .. he has to continue to prove himself as other players will be
and how do you know he will be a test class all rounder.. many players have done well in domestic but have failed on the big stage

and yes i agree you can drop someone if he is in form.. but only for another player that is worth it

I rate Symo's bowling higher than Watto's because i know Watto has done pretty good in FC with his bowling.. but i believe he will be childs play in the test arena.. why? because he doesnt swing the ball, nor does he seam the ball... and he bowls at a pace that is very likeable for top class batsmen..
thats not to mention that Wattos bowling action is extremely robotic and he will have to change that if he wants to be injury free IMO

and again, Watto has potential to be a better bowler than Roy.. and perhaps he is a better bowler but only in FC... i think Roy is better against top class batsmen because he can swing/seam it... he is actually accurate.. and keep the pressure on... although i wouldn't expect him to turn a match but thats the same with Watto

 

[Perm]

Not going to argue with you, because it's not going to sway you.

 

[Laurrz]

different strokes..

 

[pup23]

Watson has proven himself for Queensland, averaging almost 50 with the bat which is a fair bit more impressive than Symonds, who plays more as a batsman that Watson does. People are hyping him up because he has the potential to be a Test class all-rounder and will be one once his injuries sort themselves out.

You can drop somebody who made those runs, as he should never have registered a century and he isn't good enough. Even average players will score runs, given enough chances.

Also, if you're trying to say that Symond's bowling is better than Watson's then you need to have your head checked.

ok first up how many fingers is watsons arsehole? deadset.

secondly symonds medium pacers are as effective as watto's medium/fast. seriously. watson gets NO movement. none. zip. nada. so it's just coming straight onto the bat

third - how can you bag symonds when he is consistently playing cricket, something that watson can't do because he is a little bitch who should give up now. He has had 5 years to sort his injuries out and nothing has changed. what makes you think it will? Open your eyes and quit tonguing wattos arse.

 

[Son Of Coco]

ok first up how many fingers is watsons arsehole? deadset.

secondly symonds medium pacers are as effective as watto's medium/fast. seriously. watson gets NO movement. none. zip. nada. so it's just coming straight onto the bat

third - how can you bag symonds when he is consistently playing cricket, something that watson can't do because he is a little bitch who should give up now. He has had 5 years to sort his injuries out and nothing has changed. what makes you think it will? Open your eyes and quit tonguing wattos arse.

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Enjoy your lengthy holiday from it!

 

[pup23]

Welcome to the forum...


Enjoy your lengthy holiday from it!

I made this forum what it is today. I'll be back

 

[Nate]

Perm - stop acting like a tit when you argue, you're better than that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and when it isn't even that one-way, there's no need to shoot him down so hard.

Agree that Symonds is a better selection than Watto at this stage.

Did Symonds get three chances in his maiden Test Century? Honestly don't remember that.

 

[James]

I rate a 5 year olds intelligence as better than yours.

There's no need for comments like that. You should be above directing comments like that to other members.

 

[pup11]

I am a Watto fan myself but i think it is unfair to completly write off Symmo as a test player just yet, he hasn't had a great start to his test career so far but remember that he had an equally awful start to his Odi career as well and if Ponting won't have insisted on having him in the 03 WC squad we won't even be talking about Symonds today.

 

[Laurrz]

Did Symonds get three chances in his maiden Test Century? Honestly don't remember that.

honestly cant remember and i was there.. who cares though, good batsmen make the most of their chances.. KP also had a lot of chances in his 150 at the Oval

it took him something like 20 balls to get off the mark.. great knock and his jubilation when he reached the ton was felt throughout the 80 000 spectators... everyone was on their feet... even the poms.. great stuff

and yea pup11 good point about the start of his ODI career

i dont wanna hype him up too much, as i think he'll struggle against Murali and Kumble this summer..

 

[Richard]

I made this forum what it is today. I'll be back

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(Just kidding BTW)

 

[Richard]

honestly cant remember and i was there.. who cares though, good batsmen make the most of their chances.. KP also had a lot of chances in his 150 at the Oval

Yes, and hence neither innings was anywhere near as good as it was hyped-up to be.

 

[Richard]

Did Symonds get three chances in his maiden Test Century? Honestly don't remember that.

TBH, I only remember 1, but that's all you need - he was patently lbw to MSP on 56 (I think - might have been 58).

 

[Richard]

If Australia ever field that bowling attack I will do myself serious bodily harm.

And I'll eat my computer (mind, I said that last time it was a Hogg-related attack; ie, five specialist bowlers, Craig will remember) - no chance.

 

[chaminda_00]

Its always funny when people argue the person not the issue. Perm comes off looking like a tool in those exchanges TBH.

 

[iamdavid]

Well it's so blatantly obvious that Symonds isn't good enough that it's not enough, and people constantly wish to put down Watson. Getting sick of people like yourself. Symond's Test career has absolute rubbish, apart from two or three games. People rave about his century, but they seem to forget he was given three chances in that innings.

Symonds is perfectly good enough to play test cricket, he's been a while settling in but he's playing as well now as he ever has and I would be suprised if he didnt contribute nicely in the longer form this summer. The problem I and plenty of others have is while he may be good enough he isnt the best option, I think Symonds is capable of playing 50 test matches for Australia and finishing with a batting average of between about 33 and 39 as well as chipping in with the odd handy wicket and being a brilliant field, perfectly reasonable for a number 6/7. However there are other players going around Australia atm who I believe could do better (ie Watson, Hodge, and possibly a few others).

Watson has proven himself for Queensland, averaging almost 50 with the bat which is a fair bit more impressive than Symonds, who plays more as a batsman that Watson does. People are hyping him up because he has the potential to be a Test class all-rounder and will be one once his injuries sort themselves out.

You can drop somebody who made those runs, as he should never have registered a century and he isn't good enough. Even average players will score runs, given enough chances.

Also, if you're trying to say that Symond's bowling is better than Watson's then you need to have your head checked..

Actually Watson averages 44 for QLD compared to Symonds who is about 39 IIRC, county cricket nudges up both players overall FC averages. While Watson is certainly a technically superior batsman in my eyes he has yet to distinguish himself as hugely better than Symonds, his couple of tests so far have been just as innocuous as Symonds first couple were and until he proves himself all he is is a player with potential.

As for their respective bowling I honestly dont see Watson being any more effective at test level than Symonds is, Watson certainly looks more the part when he's bowling as it just looks more natural and he's a good 15kph quicker. But tbh he has to be just about the worst 140kph + seamer going about, in the longer game atleast, despite working on it plenty he has not got the ability to move the ball either in the air or off the seam, bowls an inconsistent length with no variation at all and he just skids onto the bat so invitingly. Granted Watson has way more potential because if he moved the ball he might be a genuine test wicket-taker rather than backup bowler, but atm he's just not gonna be effective with the ball. Symonds on the other hand dosent look like a bowler, his run-up and action all look very awkward and he generates no great pace or turn, but he is capable of bowling to a plan and he does actually move the ball about off the seam.