How good a bowler was Dennis Lillee?

[neville cardus]

Indeed I do. I don't believe just by seeing someone you can measure accurately how much he spins the ball.

Not with total accuracy, no, but more, surely, than the very objective pace-gauge.

 

[Richard]

The thing is, no-one can compare players who bowled 60 years apart. Even if you saw both, you could never hope to compare their spin with any accuracy.

 

[The Sean]

Richard Hadlee was twice the bowler Dennis Lillee was.

Surely an exaggeration, even for someone who isn't a big Lillee fan?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

you are a joker

There's no joke in it,I rate Hadlee much better than Lillee.IMO,Hadlee is the 2nd best pace bowler but Lillee is not even top 10.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Surely an exaggeration, even for someone who isn't a big Lillee fan?

Probably.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Richard Hadlee:

in Asia 13 561 151* 29.52 1 1 68 6/49 21.58 5 8 0

Dennis Lillee:

in Asia 4 18 12* 9.00 0 0 6 3/114 68.33 0 2 0


Lillee was a great bowler but because of his excellent record in Asia,I think Hadlee was much better as it would be extremly unfair here if we ignore Lillee's record & give no credit to Hadlee for being extremly successful in Asia.

 

[Swervy]

Richard Hadlee:

in Asia 13 561 151* 29.52 1 1 68 6/49 21.58 5 8 0

Dennis Lillee:

in Asia 4 18 12* 9.00 0 0 6 3/114 68.33 0 2 0


Lillee was a great bowler but because of his excellent record in Asia,I think Hadlee was much better as it would be extremly unfair here if we ignore Lillee's record & give no credit to Hadlee for being extremly successful in Asia.

here we go again!

 

[neville cardus]

The thing is, no-one can compare players who bowled 60 years apart. Even if you saw both, you could never hope to compare their spin with any accuracy.

How'd you know? Ever tried?

 

[Richard]

Yes, many times. Even with "normal" TV pictures, it's impossible. It's difficult enough with 1000-frames-per-second ones.

With the naked-eye, it's completely impossible.

 

[Swervy]

Yes, many times. Even with "normal" TV pictures, it's impossible. It's difficult enough with 1000-frames-per-second ones.

With the naked-eye, it's completely impossible.

I will always smile when you say this now, as my mind drifts back to those days of you refusing to acknowedge what you have just said above

Bravo

 

[neville cardus]

Yes, many times.

How?

 

[Richard]

By copying footage to my computer (at both the standard 25-frames-per-second - which won't tell you a lot - and also hi-motion 75-frames-per-second, and the super-hi-motion 1000-frames-per-second) and picking a point on the ball, and tracing it.

The new(ish) 1000-frames-per-second cameras make this exceptionally easy, and one day I hope there'll be revs-per-second displayed as there is speed of delivery.

 

[Richard]

I will always smile when you say this now, as my mind drifts back to those days of you refusing to acknowedge what you have just said above

Bravo

I didn't, though. I never said I'd done a thing with the naked-eye, nor with a standard (pretty useless) 25-frames-per-second TV picture.

 

[neville cardus]

By copying footage to my computer (at both the standard 25-frames-per-second - which won't tell you a lot - and also hi-motion 75-frames-per-second, and the super-hi-motion 1000-frames-per-second) and picking a point on the ball, and tracing it.

The new(ish) 1000-frames-per-second cameras make this exceptionally easy, and one day I hope there'll be revs-per-second displayed as there is speed of delivery.

Good-oh.

 

[archie mac]

Richard Hadlee:

in Asia 13 561 151* 29.52 1 1 68 6/49 21.58 5 8 0

Dennis Lillee:

in Asia 4 18 12* 9.00 0 0 6 3/114 68.33 0 2 0


Lillee was a great bowler but because of his excellent record in Asia,I think Hadlee was much better as it would be extremly unfair here if we ignore Lillee's record & give no credit to Hadlee for being extremly successful in Asia.

Still can't understand why people keep bringing up this one series, it was not even five Tests

 

[neville cardus]

Still can't understand why people keep bringing up this one series, it was not even five Tests

Weak arguments generally necessitate excessive straw-clutching. This argument, alas, has only straw.

 

[archie mac]

Weak arguments generally necessitate excessive straw-clutching. This argument, alas, has only straw.

true, to quote a real cartoon character (not the Simpsons) 'I say this argument (originally boy) is about as sharp as a wet bale of hay"

 

[Richard]

Still can't understand why people keep bringing up this one series, it was not even five Tests

The three-Test series is no lesser than the five-Test one. Some series work best as five, some as three.

Heck, some even as four or six.

And like it or not, Lillee failed in this series. Badly. Now, had he not played this series - as I've said 1,000 times - most people of our ilk's opinion of him would not be any different. I think BhupinderSingh mentions it a tad too often - it's only 1 series, after all, everyone has the odd bad series - but you almost act of times as though it didn't even have any right to have happened.

 

[neville cardus]

The three-Test series is no lesser than the five-Test one. Some series work best as five, some as three.

Heck, some even as four or six.

And like it or not, Lillee failed in this series. Badly.

It's difficult to think of a bowler who succeeded in that series.

 

[archie mac]

The three-Test series is no lesser than the five-Test one. Some series work best as five, some as three.

Heck, some even as four or six.

And like it or not, Lillee failed in this series. Badly. Now, had he not played this series - as I've said 1,000 times - most people of our ilk's opinion of him would not be any different. I think BhupinderSingh mentions it a tad too often - it's only 1 series, after all, everyone has the odd bad series - but you almost act of times as though it didn't even have any right to have happened.

It is 100% Irrelevant when talking about the great bowler that was D.K. Lillee