Indian Cricket League thread

[Sanz]

The ICL has a long way to go.

Yes it has long way to go, but it has woken up BCCI already.

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/BCCI_ups_the_ante/articleshow/2292870.cms

BCCI ups the ante


MUMBAI, August 19: Even as the number of first-class cricketers joining the Indian Cricket League (ICL) is increasing, the BCCI began making its moves in Mumbai on Sunday.

On the face of it, the Board is unconcerned about the happenings in ICL, but there is concern in the ranks. ‘‘It is also an indication of the discontent in certain state associations,’’ remarked a senior official referring to the Hyderabad example. Those putting up a brave front commented, ‘‘if they want to go, let them go. The players are responsible for any decision they take.’’

In a related development, the Board announced enhanced consolidated player emoluments for the 2006-07 season. The Board at its finance committee meeting, held on Sunday, also calculated Rs 231.64 crore as surplus for the 2006-07 season.

That meant an average first-class player would earn Rs 25,000 per match day for the season for all senior domestic tournaments, distributed as per the 10.5% stake in Board earnings. The Board’s annual general meeting (AGM) scheduled for next month meant that these earnings had to computed now. But it can still be construed as an attempt to hold back fence-sitters.

The Board pays Rs 4,000 per match day upfront in a season. The players would now additionally get Rs 21,000 per day making it a total of Rs 80,000-Rs 85,000 per first class match. So, for a player from a team like Mumbai which won both the Ranji and the one-day Premier Cup, it means a cash bonanza of nearly Rs 10-15 lakhs. Add the zonal tournaments like Deodhar and Duleep Trophies and the players are set to earn some more, but with retrospective effect. The Board projected earnings for the 2007-08 season is expected to increase further which means an average first-class player could earn Rs 35,000 per match day with the cash component increasing to Rs 10,000.

THEN & NOW

* Players have already received Rs 4000 per match day last season
* Additional Rs 21,000 per match day to be given with retrospective effect
* Total match earnings for 2006-07: Rs 80,000-Rs 85,000
* Projected earnings for 2007-08: Rs 10,000 per match day advance
* Projected match earnings for 2007-08: Rs 1 lakh-Rs 1,10,000

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I am sure that's a really bad thing for Indian cricket and cricketers ?

 

[silentstriker]

Just the beginning IMO. ICL hasn't even begun yet, and already you can see some of the effects. If ICL manages to survive for just three years, the cricket landscape in India will have changed considerably IMO.

 

[V Reddy]

Can we sue BCCI for monopolistic trade practices if they ban a player from representing India simply on the basis of having played at the ICL? How can such an action be allowed? I mean we are in a democracy and I have the right to participate in any national tournament unless it is anti-national and still have the right to represent my Country in Cricket. I am surprised that Zee hasn't filed a petition yet. I am pretty sure that Cricket would go into the Sports Ministry's administration if such a petition is filed. It may result in further ruining the Indian Cricket but I would prefer it any day over a company barring a player representing his country just because he affected its commercial interests. This is ridiculous.

Common Zee start a proper First Class structure and build a national team in the future and then we will get to see who is authorized to represent India.

 

[pasag]

How is it 'monopolistic trade practices'? It's pretty standard practice all over the world to not allow employees to work for rival organisations.

Edit. However, not hiring someone on the basis that they have played for the ICL in the past, while incredibly stupid, I highly doubt there would can be any legal ramifications over it. The BCCI are a private organisation and can choose to hire and not hire anyone they want really (with obvious exceptions).

 

[Sanz]

How is it 'monopolistic trade practices'? It's pretty standard practice all over the world to not allow employees to work for rival organisations.

Err, How many eomployers ban you for life from future employement for taking up another job or threaten to take your pension and benefits away ? If this is not 'monopolistic trade practice' then what is ?

 

[Beleg]

bcci does not/should not have monopoly on cricket in india


it can only reasonably have monopoly on representing india at inter-country level

hence, ICL is in no way a rival #company'

 

[Sanz]

The BCCI are a private organisation and can choose to hire and not hire anyone they want really (with obvious exceptions).

Yeah as if they have not been doing it already. If BCCI are a private organization then they should not send their teams to International tournaments as Team INDIA they should send their team as TEAM BCCI. As long as they continue to represent their Team as India, they cant claim to be a private organisation.

 

[pasag]

Err, How many eomployers ban you for life from future employement for taking up another job or threaten to take your pension and benefits away ? If this is not 'monopolistic trade practice' then what is ?

That was regarding working at both places at the same time. As I said, as a private organisation they should be legally entitled to hire whoever they want. Especially if they see the rival a threat to their existence.

I agree it's 'morally' wrong, but I can't see how it is a monopolistic trade practice and how they could be sued for something like that.

 

[pasag]

Yeah as if they have not been doing it already. If BCCI are a private organization then they should not send their teams to International tournaments as Team INDIA they should send their team as TEAM BCCI. As long as they continue to represent their Team as India, they cant claim to be a private organisation.

Well as far as I know from speaking about this to Pratyush, the team is the 'property' of the BCCI, after some landmark ruling or whatever, so yes, maybe they should be called the 'BCCI'.

And hey, I agree it is a poor situation, but I still don't get as it stands now, legally, how they shouldn't be able to set the eligibility for they see fit for their staff as a private organisation.

 

[Sanz]

That was regarding working at both places at the same time. As I said, as a private organisation they should be legally entitled to hire whoever they want. Especially if they see the rival a threat to their existence.

I agree it's 'morally' wrong, but I can't see how it is a monopolistic trade practice and how they could be sued for something like that.

Unless the players signed contract with BCCI that they cant play in any other league or cant take up another job, they can sue BCCI. Past Players whose ponsions/benefits have been revoked can sue for that as well.

 

[silentstriker]

But if I have earned a pension from company A, they cannot take away my pension because I worked for Company B after I quit company A.

That would be a losing case in court. They don't have right to take away your pension except in very specific circumstances.

 

[pasag]

Yeah for sure with pensions I agree, I doubt they'd have a leg to stand on there although I have no idea about that (pension) situation and what sort of contracts they are based on.

 

[Jono]

FFS Gelman its 3:22am. Go to sleep

 

[pasag]

Unless the players signed contract with BCCI that they cant play in any other league or cant take up another job, they can sue BCCI. Past Players whose ponsions/benefits have been revoked can sue for that as well.

I think I read somewhere that they have but I'm not sure. It is definitely in the Australian contract and you'd think it'd be a standard clause.

 

[pasag]

FFS Gelman its 3:22am. Go to sleep

Lol, have 4 mid semesters coming up, no time for sleep (not that I'm studying or anything as you can see)

 

[adharcric]

What special you want to see without a single game being played and numerous threats from subcontinent boards. Nobody is saying that ICL is going to succeed or is great, but just that at least it appears to be decent league which is not going to harm Indian/world cricket if the boards dont make an issue out of it.



That's right no one wants to join a rebel league, but are you really surprised that 'Dinesh Mongia' joined this league. Honestly, I had the feeling that he would be on the ICL list and he is. I wont be surprised if Md. Kaif, Amol Majumdar etc join the group soon.

Expected (well now it's confimed) Mongia and Muzumdar to sign up but not Kaif.

 

[Langeveldt]

Hmm, I don't understand what is going on really.. Does this mean that any ICL players can no longer play International Cricket whilst playing in the ICL? Do the rules vary from board to board?

 

[viktor]

Expected (well now it's confimed) Mongia and Muzumdar to sign up but not Kaif.

Muzumdar signed up?

 

[viktor]

Hmm, I don't understand what is going on really.. Does this mean that any ICL players can no longer play International Cricket whilst playing in the ICL? Do the rules vary from board to board?

I think so far, only the BCCI has come up with an official position on ICL. What happens with the other boards and indeed the ICC is going to be an interesting question.

 

[silentstriker]

Oh man, "four top Ranji sides - Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Punjab and Hyderabad - have each lost at least half a dozen players"

Considering the ICL needs 40+ additional players to start the season, if all those players come from Ranji trophy as well...the entire Ranji trophy season could be totally destroyed.

Only bad thing would be if domestic structures in other countries (with non-corrupt boards) suffered. From cricinfo, it looks like $75,000 for domestic players. International players are reputed to earn between $100,000 - $300,000 I think.

Which is not bad at all, for such a couple weeks worth of work (the tournament is not long).