Indian Cricket League thread

[Beleg]

Sanz is nailing it.

**** cricketboards.

 

[Fusion]

I think those championing ICL are simply not being practical. Their (legitimate) negative perceptions of BCCI are causing them to support ICL as this beacon of hope. I do not see any difference between the two leagues. ICL is merely offering higher salaries because they are trying to lure players away from their competition. They are not proposing any grassroots changes to India's cricket infrastructure. Only a select number of players will ever make it to either the BCCI team or the ICL team. That means those thousands (millions?) of players that are not picked will continue to have no future, whether ICL exists or not. In fact, even the players that are signing up with ICL are gravely risking their futures because ICL has a high probability of failing. In my opinion, ICL is not going to pose any major threat to BCCI. Therefore, the long-term impact of ICL influencing BCCI for the positive is going to be very minimal. I don't see anything good coming out from this new league.

 

[Sanz]

Everything has a probability of failing, A cricketer in India/Pak who takes up cricket has a higher chance of not making it to his national team, he still takes the chance for the love of the game. All his life he yearns for a chance to play cricket with the likes of Tendulkars and Gangulys, but he rarely he gets the chance. With ICL not only he gets a higher chance to play with some of those talents but also a chance to secure his financial future. I dont think it is that big of a risk to those players. ICL has never claimed that they want to replace BCCI or compete with BCCI, It is the BCCI that is acting like a bully here and making all kinds of unreasonable statements.

BCCI is an incompetent organization, it is afraid and getting insecure that ICL may succeed. One of many BCCs failure stories is a guy like S Sriram . Today S Sriram joined ICL, Sriram is 31 years old and probably the most prolific opener in domestic Cricket in last 10 years or so. But he never got a decent chance to show his talent in international Cricket. There are 1000s of guys like him in Domestic Cricket in the subcontinent. .

Oh BTW - Da 'Boys are looking impressive in the pre-season.

 

[Sanz]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/current/story/307434.html

NZ player chief calls for ICL support

"I can't see many negatives of third-party funding coming into cricket and another professional league would give players an opportunity to earn more income, just like those who go to county cricket. What would concern me greatly was if the league was not sanctioned and it became a 'rebel' league,"

 

[adharcric]

Everything has a probability of failing, A cricketer in India/Pak who takes up cricket has a higher chance of not making it to his national team, he still takes the chance for the love of the game. All his life he yearns for a chance to play cricket with the likes of Tendulkars and Gangulys, but he rarely he gets the chance. With ICL not only he gets a higher chance to play with some of those talents but also a chance to secure his financial future. I dont think it is that big of a risk to those players. ICL has never claimed that they want to replace BCCI or compete with BCCI, It is the BCCI that is acting like a bully here and making all kinds of unreasonable statements.

BCCI is an incompetent organization, it is afraid and getting insecure that ICL may succeed. One of many BCCs failure stories is a guy like S Sriram . Today S Sriram joined ICL, Sriram is 31 years old and probably the most prolific opener in domestic Cricket in last 10 years or so. But he never got a decent chance to show his talent in international Cricket. There are 1000s of guys like him in Domestic Cricket in the subcontinent. .

Oh BTW - Da 'Boys are looking impressive in the pre-season.

How will Sriram become a success story by joining the ICL? What exactly is the ICL doing for Indian cricket? As things stand, no one with a genuine future in Indian cricket will risk his international prospects by going to the ICL. The only ones are folks with no future (Sriram, Yadav, etc) - simply because the BCCI can lay down the law so easily. Let's see some more substance before getting so excited.

 

[chaminda_00]

Hasn't Ambati Rayadu joined the ICL, surely thats a player who has a big future and risking it by joining the ICL?

 

[Manee]

I think that only if someone like Sachin Tendulkar joins the ICL will the BCCI start to take it seriously.

 

[Sanz]

How will Sriram become a success story by joining the ICL? What exactly is the ICL doing for Indian cricket? As things stand, no one with a genuine future in Indian cricket will risk his international prospects by going to the ICL. The only ones are folks with no future (Sriram, Yadav, etc) - simply because the BCCI can lay down the law so easily. Let's see some more substance before getting so excited.

Please dont put words in my mouth. When did I say that Sriram will become a success story of ICL ? I said he was a failure story of BCCI, despite playing so well for nearly a decade. Please make a list of test openers that have played for India in last 15 years and tells us how many have better domestic record than Sriram.

And I am not excited, just posting my views like you and others have been. Please let me know if all of us should start bashing ICL and that will be a very good discussion on the topic. Substance will not come from sitting on the fence and watching the drama, it will come from showing support. I support ICL, if you dont then good for you.

 

[four_or_six]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/current/story/307434.html

NZ player chief calls for ICL support

"I can't see many negatives of third-party funding coming into cricket and another professional league would give players an opportunity to earn more income, just like those who go to county cricket. What would concern me greatly was if the league was not sanctioned and it became a 'rebel' league,"

Out of this whole thing, it's New Zealand cricket I feel really sorry for. The have the most to lose as far as I can see it - they can't afford to pay as much as Australia/England so that attracts their players, and at the same time they don't have the depth of India that means they don't miss a few players if they lose them.

 

[adharcric]

Please dont put words in my mouth. When did I say that Sriram will become a success story of ICL ? I said he was a failure story of BCCI, despite playing so well for nearly a decade. Please make a list of test openers that have played for India in last 15 years and tells us how many have better domestic record than Sriram.

And I am not excited, just posting my views like you and others have been. Please let me know if all of us should start bashing ICL and that will be a very good discussion on the topic. Substance will not come from sitting on the fence and watching the drama, it will come from showing support. I support ICL, if you dont then good for you.

Sriram was a failure story of the BCCI - what's your point? How is the ICL changing that or doing anything to help that? He may get a little more money, that's all. Am I wrong?

 

[adharcric]

Hasn't Ambati Rayadu joined the ICL, surely thats a player who has a big future and risking it by joining the ICL?

Well, virtually the entire Hyderabad team left for the ICL. Something else is going on there.

 

[Richard]

hehehe... you couldn't gather that Laxman must be pretty well off considering his parents are doctors.

Big difference between being pretty well off and being the level of affluent that Laxman's family apparently is.

 

[silentstriker]

How will Sriram become a success story by joining the ICL? What exactly is the ICL doing for Indian cricket? As things stand, no one with a genuine future in Indian cricket will risk his international prospects by going to the ICL.

One, guys who are hard done by in domestic cricket, like Gagandeep Singh and Sriram can go ply their trade elsewhere. Secondly, just because no one with a bright future has yet switched, doesn't mean they won't in the future. The first season hasn't even started! Give it a couple years, and hopefully some great young prospects will start joining.

I don't see how you can say that a choice is a bad thing. Players know the risks they are assuming, and I don't see any problems with them having that option. If I was Gagandeep Singh, I would draw a huge middle finger on a piece of paper, and fax it to the BCCI and join the ICL right away. Because even doing everything you can reasonably ask of a bowler, he never gets picked. Except as a token for a Bangaldesh tour, which he gets picked, never plays a game, and gets dropped. It is ridiculous. It is time players like that had other options. If they don't want to, no one is forcing them to join.

But if I know that I am getting unfairly treated for whatever reason, and I don't have much of a chance to make the national team, I'm going to do whatever I can to secure my financial future. I don't see how you can say that's a bad thing. And if that threat of good players leaving somehow registers with the BCCI and causes them to enact some changes that will make the selection process fairer, or leads domestic cricket's infrastructure and coaching to improve, that's just icing on the cake.

 

[Sanz]

Out of this whole thing, it's New Zealand cricket I feel really sorry for. The have the most to lose as far as I can see it - they can't afford to pay as much as Australia/England so that attracts their players, and at the same time they don't have the depth of India that means they don't miss a few players if they lose them.

Isn't something like ICL good for NZ cricket though , unless NZ board decides to take the BCCI/PCB approach ? What harm is it going to do to NZ cricket if their players are going to make some money by playing in a tournament that may not last more than a couple of weeks.

 

[adharcric]

One, guys who are hard done by in domestic cricket, like Gagandeep Singh and Sriram can go ply their trade elsewhere. Secondly, just because no one with a bright future has yet switched, doesn't mean they won't in the future. The first season hasn't even started! Give it a couple years, and hopefully some great young prospects will start joining.

Did I ever claim that the ICL is a bad idea? No. All I'm saying is that the ICL hasn't shown any great signs yet so the verdict is still out. You can't assume that the ICL will be great just because the BCCI is crap and the ICL is anti-BCCI. I have nothing against the ICL - I just haven't seen anything special yet.

I don't see how you can say that a choice is a bad thing. Players know the risks they are assuming, and I don't see any problems with them having that option. If I was Gagandeep Singh, I would draw a huge middle finger on a piece of paper, and fax it to the BCCI and join the ICL right away. Because even doing everything you can reasonably ask of a bowler, he never gets picked. Except as a token for a Bangaldesh tour, which he gets picked, never plays a game, and gets dropped. It is ridiculous. It is time players like that had other options. If they don't want to, no one is forcing them to join.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with a choice. Every cricketer grows up wanting to represent his country, not some random rebel league (even if it means getting back at your ******** national cricket board). Unless you have no chance whatsoever (e.g., Sriram or Muzumdar), it may not be such an easy decision with the BCCI issuing such ultimatums.

But if I know that I am getting unfairly treated for whatever reason, and I don't have much of a chance to make the national team, I'm going to do whatever I can to secure my financial future. I don't see how you can say that's a bad thing. And if that threat of good players leaving somehow registers with the BCCI and causes them to enact some changes that will make the selection process fairer, or leads domestic cricket's infrastructure and coaching to improve, that's just icing on the cake.

Once again, I never said the ICL is a bad idea. Let's see what happens. The ICL has a long way to go.

 

[four_or_six]

Says on cricinfo that the list is unvailed and includes Yousuf and Inzi...

 

[Poker Boy]

And Klusner and Boje from SA but that won't give SA selectors any sleeples nights. That might not be the case for Pakistan. If the PCB stick to their guns that's two thirds of their middle order gone.

 

[James]

ICL announce international stars

 

[four_or_six]

Isn't something like ICL good for NZ cricket though , unless NZ board decides to take the BCCI/PCB approach ? What harm is it going to do to NZ cricket if their players are going to make some money by playing in a tournament that may not last more than a couple of weeks.

I thought it clashed with their test/odi tour of SA, but perhaps I am mistaken.

 

[Sanz]

Did I ever claim that the ICL is a bad idea? No. All I'm saying is that the ICL hasn't shown any great signs yet so the verdict is still out. You can't assume that the ICL will be great just because the BCCI is crap and the ICL is anti-BCCI. I have nothing against the ICL - I just haven't seen anything special yet.

What special you want to see without a single game being played and numerous threats from subcontinent boards. Nobody is saying that ICL is going to succeed or is great, but just that at least it appears to be decent league which is not going to harm Indian/world cricket if the boards dont make an issue out of it.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with a choice. Every cricketer grows up wanting to represent his country, not some random rebel league (even if it means getting back at your ******** national cricket board). Unless you have no chance whatsoever (e.g., Sriram or Muzumdar), it may not be such an easy decision with the BCCI issuing such ultimatums.

Once again, I never said the ICL is a bad idea. Let's see what happens. The ICL has a long way to go.

That's right no one wants to join a rebel league, but are you really surprised that 'Dinesh Mongia' joined this league. Honestly, I had the feeling that he would be on the ICL list and he is. I wont be surprised if Md. Kaif, Amol Majumdar etc join the group soon.