The Baconator
International Vice-Captain
Have thought that from time to time as well, particularly in his first Test. Looked for it again today though, and I couldn't really spot anything on TV. Weird, or just me being a bit dim.
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Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What crisis were India in? 330 runs ahead when Tendulkar got out.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, have to agree with that.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
India's plan had backfired and had the later batsmen not played like they did, England would have been in a very strong position to win the test match.
Mister Wright
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adharcric
International Coach
Care to explain? Tendulkar came in at 10 for 2 and with the ball moving around and the English seamers bowling as well as they have in this tour (albeit without Sidebottom), India could easily have toppled for 100. England would then have around 400 to chase, which would have been quite possible in four sessions and dire considering how well in control India were at the end of England's first innings.LOL...
By the way, I'm not commenting on Tendulkar being a failure under pressure, choker, etc. Just can't see how you can
at Sanz's post. England would not have been in a "very strong position" to win, granted, but he has a point otherwise.
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Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Well I feel sorry for you if you can come up with only the above, perhaps I didn't make my point clear, so, Let me explain :-LOL...
India didn't enforce the follow on in order to bat england out of the winning position. So we lose two quick wickets and for the first time England (without Sidebottom) had a chance to get back into the game. Tendulkar (and Dravid) under pressure to not allow that, what happens next, Tendulkar does nothing to get India out of that situation. If Ganguly, Laxman etc had played like him and gotten out, England would have been very close to even with India, esp on this track.
For the first time in 4 days India allowed England to get back into the game and Tendulkar along with Dravid had the opportunity to not let that happen but unfortunately both of them failed, one of them got out and the other displayed probably one of the worst batting in the history of Indian Cricket.
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Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, you should because I got it first.Damn it Sanz, I keep confusing myself with you. Time to change my avatar.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
First of all, Let's not blame the conditions, because Ganguly was also batting at that time and I think he was batting as well as one has seen him in last 5 years.
And no I wasn't expecting Dravid to go ballistic , that is something he never does in tests, But 12 in 96 balls is really poor regardless of situation, condition etc.
pasag
RTDAS
Yeah but even if India completely failed yesterday, England still would not have been in a 'strong position' to win the match, they would have still had to reach 400 for the first time in the series and pretty much break or come close to the highest ever successful fourth innings total which given their recent batting form, is highly unlikely.
adharcric
International Coach
Ganguly batted very well, obviously. Dravid batted cautiously, understandably, in the beginning (he was 3 off 30 at one point) and I will not blame him for that. However, he should have accelerated after Monty and Collingwood came on. At the very least, he could have rotated the strike.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
LOL @ the bronx cheers Dravid received when he moved from 2 to 3.
Who was it calling for Dravid to be the next Tendulkar of the 90s?
Note, I am clearly not having a go at Dravid!
lol, that would have been me. I honestly didn't expect him to be as stroke less as this at this stage of his career. I think he is capable of much more than this, obviously.... I can understand not enforcing the follow-on to an extent, if his bowlers said they were tired and wanted to bowl on a 5th day pitch.... At least, I am pretty sure that it would have been a consensus decision, so not sure if Dravid alone could be held accountable for it, but his pathetic display with the bat in hand, he has to take full responsibility for it. I was not sure, and am not sure, what he was trying to do there... As adharcric said, it is ok to prod around for the first 20-30 balls but even after seeing Sourav going so well, why was it so difficult for him to at least get some singles there?
biased indian
International Coach
so we will drop Dravid for the worst innigs ever and tendulkar for the obvious
who will be u r choice for Pak series to bat at 3 and 4 ?
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
I'll take that as any innings of such action?
http://www1.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1995-96/ENG_IN_RSA/ENG_RSA_T2_30NOV-04DEC1995.html
I'm a law student, I have to askew your words
.I won't be on much today, too much work to do. But England will go down a few notches on my respect ladder if they don't go for the win today.
There is no difference between 2-0 and 1-0 in this situation.
Gloucefan
U19 Vice-Captain
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6943352.stm
Anderson says "We will bat for as long as we can. The first goal is to save the game."
England should be saying "we're going to try and chase the total down...blahblahblah"
No way England are going to last the day if their goal is to 'survive', they stand a better chance of surviving just trying to chase. If the approach is just to survive the Indian bowlers will be all over them. They should at least threaten to chase the total, even if its just to get the fans a bit more interested.
Anderson says "We will bat for as long as we can. The first goal is to save the game."
England should be saying "we're going to try and chase the total down...blahblahblah"
No way England are going to last the day if their goal is to 'survive', they stand a better chance of surviving just trying to chase. If the approach is just to survive the Indian bowlers will be all over them. They should at least threaten to chase the total, even if its just to get the fans a bit more interested.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Think we should be realistic here. If, by some miracle, we're (say) 300-2 at tea with KP & (say) Vaughan hitting their straps it's just conceivable we could then try to have a dart at it, but not losing is the first order of the day.
Personally I think we have no chance of the win; if we ever threaten to get close India will just switch to defensive mode & slow the over rate right down. Any team would.
Personally I think we have no chance of the win; if we ever threaten to get close India will just switch to defensive mode & slow the over rate right down. Any team would.