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Your Country's Alltime XI
- Thread starter BhupinderSingh
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nightprowler10
Global Moderator
I wouldn't go in without a fifth bowler.
adharcric
International Coach
Currently, you have Imran @ 38, Akram @ 23 and Bari @ 16 at 6-7-8. Don't you think that's a bit on the weak side for an all-time XI? Rashid Latif, perhaps?
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JBMAC
State Captain
No Nyadu or Nawab of Pataudi(jr)?
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Yeah, good point. My revised XI then:
Pakistan:
Saeed Anwar
Haneef Muhammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Rashid Latif+
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis
Fazal Mahmood
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
There might be a case for Saqlain to be in that team in place of Qadir. Just my personal opinion though.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
No chance at all.
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Depends on where they're playing. At home, Qadir was devastating, but was mediocre overseas so I'll go with Saqlain there.
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
The fifth bowler really just depends on the conditions for mine. It could be between Qadir, Saqlain, Nawaz depending on the pitch.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Hmm i don't know, but based on what i saw of Laif & Moin i certainly would pick Moin. But i guess that would be a matter of personal preference.
sideshowtim
Banned
I'm sorry but how does Ponting not make every single person on here's first XI for Australia?
He's got more centuries than any other Australian in test matches for gods sake...And he's pretty much going to break every other Australian record standing today. Ridiculous.
He's got more centuries than any other Australian in test matches for gods sake...And he's pretty much going to break every other Australian record standing today. Ridiculous.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I feel there were others who would give Ponting a run for his money and are probably better overall.
Middle order might look like Bradman, Chappell and the third spot would be between Harvey and Ponting probably. And I am not convinced that someone like Waugh and Border would not be better served. Their character and the type of players they were would really be an asset to every side. And Waugh faced bowling that was very quality..same with Border.
sideshowtim
Banned
Ponting can only face what he's given...and he's achieved brilliant results against every nation that has bowled to him. At least 1 century against every test playing nation. Ponting certainly deserves a spot in the Australian all-time XI. Without a doubt in the world. As I said, he'll break pretty much every Australian record there is. There should always be a place for someone that good.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Not quite. But regardless, has Waugh done that much less? Plus Waugh was a better captain and a more steely leader IMO.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
True, but thats they key factor that may gave someone like Waugh or Border a slight edge over him. Not to say that Ponting if he had played in the same period as Waugh or Border when bowling attacks & the world wide was at a far higher quality & the wasn't so many flat decks than the period Ponting has dominated world bowling & acclaimed worldwide as the best batsman i.e 2001 to now he couldn't have achieved similar or greater success since he showed with his 156 @ old trafford that in testing conditions againts a quality attack if exposed to it enough he has the game to score runs (although some may argue that England's attack was as good as some of the 90's but thats a different argument all-together).
But that line of reasoning does not just go for Ponting it goes for other batsman (Kallis, Yousuf, Sehwag) who have come of age an dominated bowling attacks since 2000 when pitches worldwide became flatter & coincidentally top bowlers of the 90's retired & left only Australia for the most part since then the only side with a top-quality bowling attack.
Ponting & Kallis have been the two premier batsmen since 2000 (spare a thought for Dravid but stay with me on this) & if you compare them to the likes of Lara/Tendulkar one of the main reasons people would not rate then ahead of these two even though their averages may be higher than Lara & Tendy is because of the quality of bowling & standard of pitches which they were exposed to unlike Punter & Kallis. Thats why for me Kallis or Ponting especially are going to have to average in the very high 50's i.e 57-59 or 60 to nullify the effect of average bowling & flat pitches over the past 7 years.
In the end Punter will probably have all the batting records for Australia & Worldwide, but unless improvements are seen in bowling attacks consistently & pitches are so favourable to batsmen when picking an all-time aussie team or a simple all-time squad batsmen like Waugh, Lara, Tendulkar who as i said may not match up Ponting statistically by the time he retires they will always be ahead of him in selection since they have had in tougher than the patch-headed but superb tasmanian..
JBMAC
State Captain
Ponting at 2nd drop? A few other names come to mind...G.Chappell, Neil Harvey to name a few.....Gilchrist as keeper ahead of Tallon,Grout and Marsh??? You're game sunshine.
pasag
RTDAS
Don't see how it's ridiculous at all really, you are aware that there is over 100 years of rich Australian cricket history, not just the past 10 or so you have been watching for. To have Chappell, Harvey, Waugh or Border ahead of him really isn't ridiculous at all, especially with his career far from over.
Edit: Would even mention McCabe for a middle order position in the first XI, or second XI at least.
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sideshowtim
Banned
I knew It wouldn't be long till someone bought up India. Let's face it thought, his record everywhere else is outstanding, his record in India is a mere abberation.
Plus, yeah, Ponting has pretty much achieved a crap load more than Waugh with the bat anyway you look at it, mate. It took Waugh 156 tests to get 32 Test tons...Ponting reached that feat in 100-something....And how can you say Waugh was a better captain when he has a worse record than Ponting yet had a far better side under him?
Plus, you just have to watch Ponting bat to know he deserves his place in the annals of Australian cricket. He can play every stroke in any situation. He's a mastermind. Get off your god damn high horses and accept that Ponting is not only a great batsman but a great leader too. Christ.