Why the hypocrisy on Zimbabwe ?

[Sanz]

Of course.
That's right, the USSR! Most of the Arab world was firmly in Moscow's pocket due the the US' support of Israel.

Qatar, Baharin, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi, Jordan etc were in Moscow's pocket ?

 

[social]

Yeah and boycotting a Zimbabwe tour is really going to work, isn't it ?

A token, unsupported gesture against a super-power that is also a major trading partner AND has reacted adversely against such measures in the past is very different from making such a gesture against a country like Zimbabwe

Seriously, what do you think would happen if Australia boycotted the Olympics?

Reform - no

Admission of guilt - no

Worsening relations - yes

Economic sanctions against Oz - probably

In short, nothing to be gained

In Zimbabwe's case, it is another fall nail in Mugabe's coffin

The guy barely survived the last Presidential nomination ballot by his own party. Now is not the time to show any support whatsoever for his regime

 

[SJS]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. ​

- Edward George Earle Lytton Bulwer​

 

[Dick Rockett]

A token, unsupported gesture against a super-power that is also a major trading partner AND has reacted adversely against such measures in the past is very different from making such a gesture against a country like Zimbabwe

Seriously, what do you think would happen if Australia boycotted the Olympics?

Reform - no

Admission of guilt - no

Worsening relations - yes

Economic sanctions against Oz - probably

In short, nothing to be gained

In Zimbabwe's case, it is another fall nail in Mugabe's coffin

The guy barely survived the last Presidential nomination ballot by his own party. Now is not the time to show any support whatsoever for his regime

Therein lies the sad truth. Such stands shouldn't be about what can be gained, but by simply being the right thing to do. It's a sad indictment on us that to be called idealistic is considered an insult.

 

[Sanz]

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. ​

- Edward George Earle Lytton Bulwer​

Obviously that doesn't apply in case of China.

 

[Sanz]

A token, unsupported gesture against a super-power that is also a major trading partner AND has reacted adversely against such measures in the past is very different from making such a gesture against a country like Zimbabwe

Seriously, what do you think would happen if Australia boycotted the Olympics?

Reform - no

Admission of guilt - no

Worsening relations - yes

Economic sanctions against Oz - probably

In short, nothing to be gained

In Zimbabwe's case, it is another fall nail in Mugabe's coffin

The guy barely survived the last Presidential nomination ballot by his own party. Now is not the time to show any support whatsoever for his regime

So in short - If Zimbabwe were a super power, Australia would not really have boycotted any cricket tour to that country ? Thatks for the morality lesson anyway. We all are impressed.

 

[social]

So in short - If Zimbabwe were a super power, Australia would not really have boycotted any cricket tour to that country ? Thatks for the morality lesson anyway. We all are impressed.

Obviously you know nothing of China - SANCTIONS HAVE NOT WORKED BUT EXPOSURE IS STARTING TO TURN IT AROUND

Let me guess what your solution would be

Whilst all bar one or two countries WORLDWIDE attend the games, you want little old Australia to carry the can that the US, Europe and the sub-continent won't and, in the process, achieve ZERO

And in Zimbabwe, whilst the rest of the cricketing world DOES NOTHING you want Australia, in effect, to do the same by giving their implicit approval to the country's situation by turning up.

Sorry but that is absolute crap.

 

[Athlai]

The US is occupying a country, just like China, shall they be boycotted too? My friends we do not live in an ideal world.

When a regime obviously and openly denies human rights to a country on the scale that has been seen in Zimbabwe, international politics forces itself to shake its finger and tut. But when it is done more discreetly as in the case of China (or the US... or Russia...) its easy for the world to turn a blind eye.

 

[shortpitched713]

Therein lies the sad truth. Such stands shouldn't be about what can be gained, but by simply being the right thing to do. It's a sad indictment on us that to be called idealistic is considered an insult.

You a student by any chance, 16tos?

 

[shortpitched713]

The US is occupying a country, just like China, shall they be boycotted too? My friends we do not live in an ideal world.

When a regime obviously and openly denies human rights to a country on the scale that has been seen in Zimbabwe, international politics forces itself to shake its finger and tut. But when it is done more discreetly as in the case of China (or the US... or Russia...) its easy for the world to turn a blind eye.

How exactly is the US denying human rights to a country?

 

[Athlai]

How exactly is the US denying human rights to a country?

Occupation of a country mostly, an cases like Panama in recent history.

 

[shortpitched713]

Not talking about history, and occupation of a country isn't neccessarily a violation of human rights.

 

[Salamuddin]

"Going over to Moscow" doesn't have to be "converting to godless Communism". Most of the Middle East was very pro-Russian as well as India, but it didn't mean they were communist.

Dude, do you even know what you're talking about ??

Just about all Islamic countries disliked the Soviets....the fact they did business with them doesn't mean they were aligned with them in any way.....even when the Soviet war in Afghanistan was happening, Iraqis and Syrians fought in AFghanistan even though their governments were buying equipment off the Soviets.

 

[Salamuddin]

Obviously you know nothing of China - SANCTIONS HAVE NOT WORKED BUT EXPOSURE IS STARTING TO TURN IT AROUND

Turn what around ? Most human rights organizations and activists (Chinese included) have admitted thaat despite greater economic prosperity for the middle classes, China remains a totalitarian state with no real improvements in human freedom aspects.

And the Chinese have shown no inclination whatseover of renouncing their claim to Tibet.....funny how the likes of John Howard parrot the need for democracy but Tibet barely registers as a blip on the radar.
You seriously think the fact that Coca-Cola and Boeing have access to Chinese markets and labour is warming the hearts of Tibetans or brings their day of autonomy a step closer ??

And it still doesn't explain also why Howard so enthusiastically embraces Musharraf - a military dictator who has sought to eliminate evry vestige of democracy in Pakistan, no less and yet vehemently condemns Mugabe as anti-democratic.

 

[Salamuddin]

The fact that our government may have to pay $2 million in tax-payers money .

Personally think that's nothing more than a vote-grabing stunt by Howard in an election year......

I'm suprised no one has seen past it......Cricket Australia should pay their own fines, public money shouldn't be spent on that.....

 

[Sanz]

Obviously you know nothing of China - SANCTIONS HAVE NOT WORKED BUT EXPOSURE IS STARTING TO TURN IT AROUND

Since you know so much About China, Why dont you educate the Ignorant populace of CW about their excellent Human Rights Records in Tibet and even in other parts of China ? And obviously I know nothing about China, except that I see 1000s of Tibetan refugees in pretty much every city of India living like refugees for close to 50 years, having spoken to a no. of them and have friends with a no. of second generation tibetan refugees living in India is obviously knowing nothing. But as you said, you know everything about China, please do educate us on their stellar Human Rights record in Tibet.

Let me guess what your solution would be

Whilst all bar one or two countries WORLDWIDE attend the games, you want little old Australia to carry the can that the US, Europe and the sub-continent won't and, in the process, achieve ZERO

And in Zimbabwe, whilst the rest of the cricketing world DOES NOTHING you want Australia, in effect, to do the same by giving their implicit approval to the country's situation by turning up.

Sorry but that is absolute crap.

I dont want anything, I am just pointing the HYPOCRISY here. It's not a moral stand as it is being made out to be, It is just a stand populist stand, period.

 

[Dick Rockett]

You a student by any chance, 16tos?

Nope, why?

 

[social]

Since you know so much About China, Why dont you educate the Ignorant populace of CW about their excellent Human Rights Records in Tibet and even in other parts of China ? And obviously I know nothing about China, except that I see 1000s of Tibetan refugees in pretty much every city of India living like refugees for close to 50 years, having spoken to a no. of them and have friends with a no. of second generation tibetan refugees living in India is obviously knowing nothing. But as you said, you know everything about China, please do educate us on their stellar Human Rights record in Tibet.



I dont want anything, I am just pointing the HYPOCRISY here. It's not a moral stand as it is being made out to be, It is just a stand populist stand, period.

Given that India is so deeply affected by Tibet, it's pretty surprising that your Government has chosen to recognise China's definition of that country as a means to facilitating trade between India and China

And here I was thinking that Australia had a mortgage on hypocrisy

 

[shortpitched713]

Nope, why?

Idealism is such a stereotypical student trait, thats all.

 

[Dasa]

Given that India is so deeply affected by Tibet, it's pretty surprising that your Government has chosen to recognise China's definition of that country as a means to facilitating trade between India and China

And here I was thinking that Australia had a mortgage on hypocrisy

Irrelevant and a cheap shot. Sanz made no comment on India's China policy and that's not something that is being discussed in this thread. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I dare say he'd be just as disappointed in the hypocrisy present in the Indian govt as he is with the Aus govt.