Most over rated players

[Richard]

He held on to his ODI place more because of his outstanding run in the tests.

I know. But he was at one point good at ODIs.

 

[Richard]

No whatever said, Sibanda will never be a good international cricketer.

You don't know that. Many people probably said that about Mark Richardson in, say, 1997. Sometimes awful players actually become quite good.

He might not, but in my experience Rob Cribb doesn't tend to say that sort of stuff about players without knowing an incy bit about the matter.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Not a chance is Sehwag better than Atapattu, Jayasuriya, Atherton, etc. And that either he or Hayden could ever be considered remotely as good at Test opening as any of the aforementioned says a fair bit about the poor quality of bowling of late.

Alastair Cook will almost certainly, too, end-up a superior player but right now he does not command a regular opening berth.

Only Atapattu during his best of times could compare with Sehwag. Alastair Cook, will surely take test matches to the older days, we would see more draws.
He does command a regular opening berth and it is rightly so. Though he has a good technique against spinners among the England batsmen.

Artherton is the most-hyped test cricketer ever. Just one innings in SA cannot make him superior to others who have performed over and again in various conditions.

 

[adharcric]

Not a chance is Sehwag better than Atapattu, Jayasuriya, Atherton, etc. And that either he or Hayden could ever be considered remotely as good at Test opening as any of the aforementioned says a fair bit about the poor quality of bowling of late.

Alastair Cook will almost certainly, too, end-up a superior player but right now he does not command a regular opening berth.

Atherton?

Before this rough stretch (since England toured IIRC), Sehwag was rated by many as the #2 test opener after Hayden. Right now, his form is pathetic but he is still a world-class test opener (barely).

 

[Richard]

Alastair Cook, will surely take test matches to the older days, we would see more draws.

Eh? You mean "he scores fairly slowly"? So? Pace of scoring, especially at the top of the order, is not a handicap.

He does command a regular opening berth and it is rightly so. Though he has a good technique against spinners among the England batsmen.

He doesn't, it's highly unlikely he'll open the batting throughout this summer, for instance.

Artherton is the most-hyped test cricketer ever. Just one innings in SA cannot make him superior to others who have performed over and again in various conditions.

Except it's very, very far from that - it's 10 years and 90-odd Tests of sustained excellence against some of the best bowling-attacks we've ever seen.

 

[Prince EWS]

You don't know that. Many people probably said that about Mark Richardson in, say, 1997. Sometimes awful players actually become quite good.

He might not, but in my experience Rob Cribb doesn't tend to say that sort of stuff about players without knowing an incy bit about the matter.

I also think Liam would back me up if he was here. Perhaps not to the extent of Sibanda > Sehwag because I was clearly exaggerating matters (as they stand now, anyway..), but he saw quite a lot of Sibanda in the West Indies and IIRC he was quite impressed.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

You don't know that. Many people probably said that about Mark Richardson in, say, 1997. Sometimes awful players actually become quite good.

He might not, but in my experience Rob Cribb doesn't tend to say that sort of stuff about players without knowing an incy bit about the matter.

But whatever i have seen of him in the international arena, he does not look like a player of international class. If you talk about the potential, there are too many who has that, not only Sibanda. Unless he shows glimpses of that, i dont have any plausible to reason to believe.

 

[Richard]

Atherton?

Before this **** period (ever since England toured IIRC), Sehwag was rated by many as the #2 test opener after Hayden. Right now, his form is pathetic but he is still a world-class test opener (with a **** technique, fat belly and more).

Yes. Sorry, it will take one hell of a lot to convince me that Sehwag will ever be remotely close to being a patch on Atherton.

Heck, if he'd had to deal with the problems Atherton did from the age of 22 it's likely he'd have retired years ago. And even if he hadn't, it's probable that the attacks Atherton faced would have rendered him a Kris Srikkanth or possibly even worse.

 

[adharcric]

Yes. Sorry, it will take one hell of a lot to convince me that Sehwag will ever be remotely close to being a patch on Atherton.

Heck, if he'd had to deal with the problems Atherton did from the age of 22 it's likely he'd have retired years ago. And even if he hadn't, it's probable that the attacks Atherton faced would have rendered him a Kris Srikkanth or possibly even worse.

I only mentioned Atherton because he quit cricket a while ago. I don't see why you would compare Sehwag to retired cricketers.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

Eh? You mean "he scores fairly slowly"? So? Pace of scoring, especially at the top of the order, is not a handicap.

He doesn't, it's highly unlikely he'll open the batting throughout this summer, for instance.

Except it's very, very far from that - it's 10 years and 90-odd Tests of sustained excellence against some of the best bowling-attacks we've ever seen.

sustained excellence will never give you an average under 40 in the modern arena though.

No, scoring slowly makes the bowling look very difficult. My worry is he does that regardless of the attack and the surface. very predictable.

 

[Richard]

I only mentioned Atherton because he quit cricket a while ago. I don't see why you would compare Sehwag to retired cricketers.

Because many teams currently have no long-term openers.

 

[Prince EWS]

But whatever i have seen of him in the international arena, he does not look like a player of international class.

That's a moot point unless you've seen every innings he's ever played though, especially since he was disgracefully horrible until recently.

 

[Richard]

sustained excellence will never give you an average under 40 in the modern arena though.

And Atherton averaged over 41 in the period concerned.

No, scoring slowly makes the bowling look very difficult. My worry is he does that regardless of the attack and the surface. very predictable.

So? Long as he scores there are no problems.

 

[Salamuddin]

Not a chance is Sehwag better than Atapattu, Jayasuriya, Atherton, etc. And that either he or Hayden could ever be considered remotely as good at Test opening as any of the aforementioned says a fair bit about the poor quality of bowling of late.

Alastair Cook will almost certainly, too, end-up a superior player but right now he does not command a regular opening berth.

How on earth is Sehwag NOT a better test player than Jaysuriya ?
Sehwag also averages mid forties against Mcgrath and Warne - says to me he's a pretty decent player. Even Graeme Smith, who you adore hasn't done as well against those two.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

And Atherton averaged over 41 in the period concerned.

So? Long as he scores there are no problems.

that is not always true. You very well know Boycott got dropped after scoring big.
Though that is very much isolated, Cook has just one gear, which does not make a complete batsman.

 

[Richard]

that is not always true. You very well know Boycott got dropped after scoring big.

That stupidity of the Boycott case is, mercifully, a long-gone stories. Never again is something like that remotely likely to happen.

Though that is very much isolated, Cook has just one gear, which does not make a complete batsman.

You don't need to be complete to be top-shelf, though.

 

[Richard]

How on earth is Sehwag NOT a better test player than Jaysuriya ?
Sehwag also averages mid forties against Mcgrath and Warne - says to me he's a pretty decent player. Even Graeme Smith, who you adore hasn't done as well against those two.

And as things stand Sehwag has indeed achieved more as a Test opener than Smith.

Jayasuriya scored decently in the 1990s as a Test opener. Yes, he was always more of a flat-track scorer, but it's certainly not accurate to say he never did a thing when the going got tough. Sehwag has rarely had to face a truly top-class attack.

 

[ramkumar_gr]

That's a moot point unless you've seen every innings he's ever played though, especially since he was disgracefully horrible until recently.

I feel so many players in domestic cricket playing in India are better than most, playing international cricket. But i cannot root for them in any forum, as i accept potential does not always translate into success.

 

[Prince EWS]

that is not always true. You very well know Boycott got dropped after scoring big.
Though that is very much isolated, Cook has just one gear, which does not make a complete batsman.

Kallis isn't top shelf then?

 

[ramkumar_gr]

And as things stand Sehwag has indeed achieved more as a Test opener than Smith.

Jayasuriya scored decently in the 1990s as a Test opener. Yes, he was always more of a flat-track scorer, but it's certainly not accurate to say he never did a thing when the going got tough. Sehwag has rarely had to face a truly top-class attack.

That is not his fault though. I feel Sehwag would have stood in good stead against the best of attacks.