***Official*** Pakistan in South Africa

[silentstriker]

Sounds like a few different voices.But from what i picked up it was something like:
First : F****** behaving like animals
Second: Bunch of Hyenas
First: F***** go back to the Zoo
F***** Pakistanis

Yup, thats what it sounded like to me exactly.

 

[silentstriker]

Though I love the SA coach 'What's said on the field should stay on the field.' Only when it suits you, right?

 

[silentstriker]

Thing is Fraz, if player x from country x bashes you on being a Pakistani and on your heritage, then you bash him because he bashed you and then he bashes you back, and hit each other too in the process, it will be a great spectacle for some but it is not cricket.

You are going there to play cricket. Why should you hear nonsense from any one about you being a Pakistani and abuses and what not. Such apparent tests of mental strength aren't required in cricket the way I see it.

No, its about trying to win. They are professionals, so if sledging is used in a way that may help you win the game, then why wouldn't people do it? If you are a professional player, you will take any edge you can get and similarly, you have to be mentally strong enough to withstand that. Simple as that. If a side has success using this tactic, then I don't really see whats wrong with it.

 

[Pratters]

No, its about trying to win. They are professionals, so if sledging is used in a way that may help you win the game, then why wouldn't people do it? If you are a professional player, you will take any edge you can get and similarly, you have to be mentally strong enough to withstand that. Simple as that. If a side has success using this tactic, then I don't really see whats wrong with it.

If I ask you if cheating is okay for winning a game, you would say no. Similarly where I am concerned, even the given tactics I stated and not okay for winning a game.

My point is unrelated to a player being mentally strong. Firstly, even if I am mentally strong, just because I am playing cricket, why should I crop abuse of all kinds from people. Secondly, I do not see the abuse test is necessary or as I earlier stated, I do not want players going into abuse battles (Sarwan-McGrath wasn't pretty was it) or physical brawls on the field.

I can see many people not seeing any thing wrong but I do and excuses that cricket is a professional sport, it is all about winning do not really count because there are other sports which work well in terms of professional and winning without the sledging part.

 

[Beleg]

Pakistan needs to score 300 runs tommorow in order to have a decent crack at winning this.

My prediction is that Pakistan will fold for the addition of about two hundred runs, with SA chasing that in a fashion similiar to the third test against India.

Oops, it was a bit more easier then against India.

 

[Beleg]

I think Pakistan needs to make three changes.

Asim Kamal in for Faisal Iqbal, Mohammad Yousuf in for Yasir Hameed and Shoaib Akhtar in for either Nazir or Rana. (if Gul is fit then neither Nazir nor Rana should be playing)

Farhat
Hafeez
Younis
Yousuf
Inzi
Kamal
Akmal
Akhtar
Kaneria
Gul
Asif

 

[Turbinator]

TBH, Pakistan really doesn't stand much of a chance. Pakistan aren't a whole lot better than India, they are honestly being over rated at the moment by some of CW members. Even though they have missed a few of their key players, Pakistan is not really as strong a unit as many would like to think. I mean with exceptions of MoYo, Asif, and Akhtar (at times)... who else really stands out in their lineup. But, hopefully, these words comeback to haunt me, and Pakistan put up a brilliant fight in the next two matches.

By the way, didn't watch the whole match, how was Pak's fielding overall?

 

[silentstriker]

Pakistan aren't a whole lot better than India,

Um...yes, they are.

Even though they have missed a few of their key players, Pakistan is not really as strong a unit as many would like to think. I mean with exceptions of MoYo, Asif, and Akhtar (at times)... who else really stands out in their lineup.

Um, let's see:

Openers = Even
Inzy + MoYo + Younis + Akmal >>>> Dravid + Tendulkar + Ganguly + Dhoni
Asif + Akhtar + Kaneria + Whoever >>>> Zaheer + Sreesanth + Kumble + Whoever

They are better.

 

[Turbinator]

Um...yes, they are.



Um, let's see:

Openers = Even
Inzy + MoYo + Younis + Akmal >>>> Dravid + Tendulkar + Ganguly + Dhoni
Asif + Akhtar + Kaneria + Whoever >>>> Zaheer + Sreesanth + Kumble + Whoever

They are better.

I am not comparing them to India, I am just saying they aren't as good as many people would like to believe here on CW.

Also, no they aren't a WHOLE lot better. And if they are a WHOLE lot better let's see them win a match. Bet you any money, any money, all my assets, my parents assets that Pakistan won't win a match.

 

[silentstriker]

Also, no they aren't a WHOLE lot better. And if they are a WHOLE lot better let's see them win a match. Bet you any money, any money, all my assets, my parents assets that Pakistan won't win a match.

That bet is meaningless as it obviously won't be followed through.

I am not comparing them to India, I am just saying they aren't as good as many people would like to believe here on CW.

Most people rate them as the 3rd best team after Australia and England. Can you name someone better for 3rd place?

 

[Beleg]

Inzamam, Younis, Akhtar, Mohammad Yousuf and Asif are all world class/very very good players. Kaneria is pretty good, Asim Kamal (who should be in the team and is highly underrated by everyone apart from, funnily enough, TEC) has the makings of a better version of Younis Khan.

6/11 is not bad.


The trouble with Pakistan in this game was that Inzamam relied on Kaneria and Asif to get him the wickets. His rotation of bowlers, specially in the second innings, was verging on criminal. Nazir and Rana, two front line bowlers, bowled a total of ten overs between them, equal to a part-timer like Hafeez.

The problem with batting was that no one really stuck-in and made a big score. Inzamam, Younis and Farhat in the second innings got out to needless shots. Faisal Iqbal seemed unsure of what role to play (examplified by his pathetic twenty ball block followed by a hoick out of no where first innings performance) - all of that added up in a performance which wasn't as bad as it was lazy and lack-lasture.

That said, full marks to Kallis and Amla for playing extremely sensibly in the second innings. Excellent batting. Congragulations to South Africa for a deserved win and hopefully the second match will be (even) more competitive and exciting.

 

[Scaly piscine]

So you've seen enough of him to tell us that he's mediocre? Great.. I guess being a SLA bowler is a prerequisite to being rubbish..

A SLA bowler with an FC average of 29 and called up at 28 is a prerequisite to being unremarkable as I said - mediocre you just invented yourself.

 

[silentstriker]

A SLA bowler with an FC average of 29 and called up at 28 is a prerequisite to being unremarkable as I said - mediocre you just invented yourself.

So India are also not-very-good players of SLA bowling then?

 

[Turbinator]

That bet is meaningless as it obviously won't be followed through.




Most people rate them as the 3rd best team after Australia and England. Can you name someone better for 3rd place?

Dude I agree they are the third best team, but when facing RSA in RSA, no they don't stand a chance. Also, people rate them as a formidable outfit, but no it's just all other teams have been crap. Same with England, they are second because all other teams have been crap.

Also, the bet was kind of a rhetorical bet.

 

[wpdavid]

what lehmann outburst are you talking about?

Probably his two-word description of the Sri lankans after, IIRC, he's been run out against them. The first was "black" and the second related to a part of the female anatomy that I couldn't possibly repeat here.

 

[silentstriker]

Dude I agree they are the third best team, but when facing RSA in RSA, no they don't stand a chance. Also, people rate them as a formidable outfit, but no it's just all other teams have been crap. Same with England, they are second because all other teams have been crap.

Or maybe, with the exception of Australia, all teams are pretty strong but evenly matched. And they are a formidable outfit. They lost handily in ENG but they won vs. India, then drew vs India, won vs SL, and beat England at home 2-0 (India could only draw against a depleted English team).

 

[Steulen]

Actually I was just looking through the team stats at CricInfo and noticed that the Pakistan bowling attack is utter crap. Asif is very promising but unproven, and all the others have Brettleeesque averages if that. Seriously, I think a lot of people (including me) have been overrating this Pakistan team because they sometimes do well when conditions make the ball swing in hoops or when Kaneria gets it right. A team with such a mediocre attack doesn't deserve a top spot.

I say South Africa should be the rightful challengers of England as the no. 2 team, provided they can stabilize their middle order and Harris can prove himself as a spinner.

 

[Turbinator]

Or maybe, with the exception of Australia, all teams are pretty strong but evenly matched. And they are a formidable outfit. They lost handily in ENG but they won vs. India, then drew vs India, won vs SL, and beat England at home 2-0 (India could only draw against a depleted English team).

You forgot lost against India in Pakistan. But once again not comparing them to India...

 

[Scaly piscine]

So India are also not-very-good players of SLA bowling then?

Eh?

If you're trying to make some ridiculously convoluted link I suggest you look at how much Harris' wickets against India actually cost him and how they scored far more freely against him while Pakistan barely managed to get him away for 2 an over. India are far better player of spin than Pakistan generally speaking.

 

[silentstriker]

You forgot lost against India in Pakistan. But once again not comparing them to India...

Last series they played in Pakistan, India lost 1-0.