Zaheer on Indian bowling

[centurymaker]

tried his heart out to sound like an expert...

 

[intcricket]

Zaheer is trying to make pace sound like an achievement for Indians. I don't think many people will subscribe to his opinion as he is simply trying to- "quote an excuse, instead of focusing on solving the problem".

On a different note, Shaun should stick to flashing his smile during the IPL post-match parties.

 

[r3alist]

Also Pakistan has as much (or as little) of a gym culture as India tbf, and they produce tons of great fast bowlers.


I'm telling you guys, you need to eat beef/mutton to bowl fast, you just have to.

Is there any scientific basis in this opinion? I have not seen any.

Lankans eat beef don't they? Where are their great quicks?

I believe the underlying problem is a skills deficit, nit being fast is one thing, but why not skillful?

 

[Daemon]

Is there any scientific basis in this opinion? I have not seen any.

Lankans eat beef don't they? Where are their great quicks?

I believe the underlying problem is a skills deficit, nit being fast is one thing, but why not skillful?

WPUJCV



(ftr I wasn't being completely serious about the mutton/beef thingo)

 

[shankar]

IIRR around 70% of Indians are nonvegetarians.

 

[smash84]

You could argue that Indians are inherently less given to being as tall and perhaps having the same fast-twitch muscle profile as players from other parts of the world, but every healthy male and certainly every professional athlete, given the time and resources they've got available, is capable of achieving a reasonable level of fitness. And the majority of the Indian fast bowlers simply don't look like they're doing it, they look in poor physical shape. Sreesanth, RP Singh, Ishant, they look skinny and soft. Zaheer often looks overweight and poorly conditioned.

Contrast that with the Australian fast bowlers, they're all in very impressive physical shape (Bollinger and Copeland perhaps being the exceptions). Mitchell Johnson for example wouldn't look out of place as a back on a pro rugby team, I don't think it's any coincidence that he's still regularly in the mid-140's and barely ever injured at 30 years of age.

At the level the Indian bowlers are playing, access to good information and facilities shouldn't be an issue, I suspect it comes down to attitude.

I realise that in South Africa/NZL/Australia/UK we have a bit more of a 'gym-culture' due to the prevelance of contact sports, in which you simply won't get anywhere if you're not bloody fit and strong. Lack of any popular contact sports plus economic factors probably mean young Indian bowlers are less used to the idea of smashing themselves in the gym and getting supremely fit, but given the consistent problems they've had keeping young bowlers on the park and getting them to retain their pace you'd think the back room staff or the bowlers themselves would've put two and two together by now.

I dont think it is about the gym culture. I think it is about having role models. Pakistan has probably produced the most number of express bowlers since 1980 and trust me there is NO gym culture here at all. Before Imran Khan there was never really anyone who could be termed genuinely quick and once he burst onto the scene every kid on the street wanted to emulate him. As cricinfo put it "his lithe bounding run up and that leap at the crease". In India Gavaskar had a similar effect which showed in the Indian batting over the years.

 

[r3alist]

Faisal mahmood was a good quick bowler, before imrans time.

 

[Redbacks]

given the massive population, and despite a lower average height, I still predict that India would have more people 6ft and over than in the UK, Australia or New Zealand.

 

[smash84]

we had this discussion before with Theirry_Henry here and he pointed out the NZ fast bowlers. The NZ fast bowlers are usually very tall but the one express quick that they get is relatively shorter (Shane Bond). Also none of the super tall guys have been express. There may be some optimal height???

P.S. How tall is Brett Lee?

 

[Xuhaib]

its all that role model thingy as Shah sahab pointed out.

 

[Redbacks]

P.S. How tall is Brett Lee?

Google it

Height - 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)

 

[DriveClub]

Bowling fast is all about the desire and having good athletic ability/upper body stregnth to do so. I just don't think Indian pacers have the attitude/desire to run in all out and the Indian bowling staff don't encourage it enough either.

 

[Goughy]

Yep, words of wisdom from Shaun Tait. Shaun Tait Bowling Tips For Youngsters - YouTube

"Hey guys, to be fast you just need to run in and bowl as fast as you can."

Top advice indeed

yeah haha, guy is such a fool.

You will never hear better advice than that. He is spot on. Eat protein, use your natural action and bowl as fast as you can. That is perfect advice. If you can bowl quick then the accuracy will come. Second best advice is stay away from coaches until you are grown and confident in your action and accuracy. Bad ones are killers of fast bowlers and there are more bad ones than good ones around.

I'm not a huge believer in the gym making someone bowl fast. Either you can or you can't. Either you have a natural action that allows it or you don't. Gyming certainly can reduce injuries and allow pace to be sustained for longer and maybe add a kph here or there. It helps but doesnt create pace.

 

[Ruckus]

You will never hear better advice than that. He is spot on. Eat protein, use your natural action and bowl as fast as you can. That is perfect advice. If you can bowl quick then the accuracy will come. Second best advice is stay away from coaches until you are grown and confident in your action and accuracy. Bad ones are killers of fast bowlers and there are more bad ones than good ones around.

I'm not a huge believer in the gym making someone bowl fast. Either you can or you can't. Either you have a natural action that allows it or you don't. Gyming certainly can reduce injuries and allow pace to be sustained for longer and maybe add a kph here or there. It helps but doesnt create pace.

Shaun Tait himself to deny. It isn't that what he said was wrong, it's just it is pretty damn obvious. It's like giving advice about batting and saying "just keep your eye on the ball"... well no ****!.

 

[Goughy]

Shaun Tait himself to deny. It isn't that what he said was wrong, it's just it is pretty damn obvious. It's like giving advice about batting and saying "just keep your eye on the ball"... well no ****!.

If the correct answer is obvious then why even ask the question? IMHO, it isnt obvious as to bowl as fast as you can means putting your body though a process it isnt well designed to endure. It is too easy to take the less painful option and bowl within yourself. You have to convince yourself to put yourself through the torture and as such his advice is spot on.

 

[smash84]

You will never hear better advice than that. He is spot on. Eat protein, use your natural action and bowl as fast as you can. That is perfect advice. If you can bowl quick then the accuracy will come. Second best advice is stay away from coaches until you are grown and confident in your action and accuracy. Bad ones are killers of fast bowlers and there are more bad ones than good ones around.

I'm not a huge believer in the gym making someone bowl fast. Either you can or you can't. Either you have a natural action that allows it or you don't. Gyming certainly can reduce injuries and allow pace to be sustained for longer and maybe add a kph here or there. It helps but doesnt create pace.

awta

 

[G.I.Joe]

Have to agree with Goughy. Sometimes the answer is so simple that people feel the need to invent stuff out of their asses just to make themselves look intelligent.

 

[intcricket]

Its best to not complicate fast bowling. The answer to any question about pace lies somewhere strategically in the term "fast bowling" itself.

 

[Ruckus]

IMHO, it isnt obvious as to bowl as fast as you can means putting your body though a process it isnt well designed to endure. It is too easy to take the less painful option and bowl within yourself. You have to convince yourself to put yourself through the torture and as such his advice is spot on.

Yeah well that's some good advice/wisdom right there, but Tait didn't say that.

Don't know why I'm even discussing this though, the whole thing was meant as a joke anyway. Plus I really don't like Tait.

 

[Daemon]

goughy get back to your hospital bed