silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Yea, I meant finger spin.
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Your Country's Alltime XI
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Fusion
Global Moderator
SS, why the current avatar? Lose a challenge or something?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
No. I said I would pick a different great fast bowler every couple weeks.SS, why the current avatar? Lose a challenge or something?
Fusion
Global Moderator
Ah, I see. I didn't think you rated him that highly, so was surprised to see him as your avatar.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Nah, one of the best of all time. I just said McGrath is better.
roseboy64
Cricket Web Content Updater
No offence to Gibbs but the heralded four prnged pace showed that a spinner isn't necessary and so with so many fast bowlers being better than Gibbs he doesn't make it. Not to say he wasn't good but there are at least four fast bowlers who are better, for argument sake.
BomasticBushkin
Cricket Spectator
Gibbs was one of the greatest off-spinners in history! An economy rate of under 2 runs conceded per over? The second player and first spinner to surpass 300 wickets? Sure, his bowling average was 29.09... he killed any momentum that the other side made. Besides, Gibbs was known for unlimited stamina and determination, as stated in his CricInfo page.
Need I point out a certain test where India lost 8 wickets in 16 overs making only 8 runs, thanks to a certain Lance Gibbs?
As for Gibbs not being as good as the pace bowlers, he came in a time when pace was much slower, there was no doosra, Gibbs only got the armball in LATER years, and they didn't have the same type training that we do now. Nowadays, I'm sure that he would be as good or even better than Muralitharan. Gibbs, was definitely one of the greatest bowlers in history, even if just for his economy rate.
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Man am I bias to Guyanese players.
Need I point out a certain test where India lost 8 wickets in 16 overs making only 8 runs, thanks to a certain Lance Gibbs?
As for Gibbs not being as good as the pace bowlers, he came in a time when pace was much slower, there was no doosra, Gibbs only got the armball in LATER years, and they didn't have the same type training that we do now. Nowadays, I'm sure that he would be as good or even better than Muralitharan. Gibbs, was definitely one of the greatest bowlers in history, even if just for his economy rate.
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Man am I bias to Guyanese players.
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The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
If that's your criteria you should find a place for Colin Bland too. Too young to have seen him in action but my dad reckons he's one of the best, if not THE best, fieldsman he's ever seen.I wouldn't leave Jonty Rhodes out of a Saffie Alltime X1. No matter how well the others bat or bowl, without his exceptional fielding, the other side will always score a few that could have been stopped if he was there.
If nothing else, Bland at cover point and Jonty at midwicket would make it entertaining whenever the opposition team tried any quick singles.
All Rounder
Cricket Spectator
1.Hanif Muhammad
2.Saeed Anwer
3.Zaheer Abbas
4.Javed Miandad
5.Inzamam ul Haq
6.Imran Khan
7.Rashid Latif
8.Wasim Akram
9.Saqlain Mushtaq
10.Fazal Mahmood
11.Waqar Younis
12th.Qadir
2.Saeed Anwer
3.Zaheer Abbas
4.Javed Miandad
5.Inzamam ul Haq
6.Imran Khan
7.Rashid Latif
8.Wasim Akram
9.Saqlain Mushtaq
10.Fazal Mahmood
11.Waqar Younis
12th.Qadir
BhupinderSingh
Banned
There are some Indian palyers e.g Mohammad Nissar,Amar Singh,Vijay Merchent etc who are rated quite highly by members of this forum but I they never manage to make my XIs because I don't pick any players(regardless of how highly they are rated by others) who played less than 25 tests in their careers for whatever reason.Prasad,without any doubt is one the 5 best pacers India has ever produced and I think there is no harm in picking him.But considering that India has never produced a fast bowler of the calibre of Marshall,Hadlee,Imran,Garner,Barnes,Akram etc & with two very fine medium pacers already in the team,I should've picked either Bedi or Prasanna to include another spinner.
BhupinderSingh
Banned
For those who have selected Moin Khan in their Pakistan XI's
Moin Khan was truly a fighting batsman & in the 1990's,he was known as "Man of Crisis".People still can't forget his match winning innings at Calcutta against India in 1999 & some others of similar sort.It was because of his ability of coming up with good innings of 50+(and sometimes 100+) after the collapse of the top order that he became the favourite cricketer of people like Robin Jackman even.IMO,He was a better batsman than his stats reflect but his keeping was pretty ordinary.Missing easy catches & stumpings used to be his habit.Personally, I think he should've left keeping to concentrate more on his batting & let Rashid Latif do the job of a wicket keeper.So,I don't think you should include people like Moin in your team unless they are good keepers.I think including Rashid Latif or Wasim Bari would be a better choice.
I remember Imran Khan used to be against the selection of these type of Bits & Pieces players.He refuse to prefer Tasleem Arif(who was a very fine WK- batsman(more of a batsman) & even scored a double hundred against an australian attack which included Dennis"Greentop Bully"Lillee over Wasim Bari was a poor batsman but a goodkeeper.
Moin Khan was truly a fighting batsman & in the 1990's,he was known as "Man of Crisis".People still can't forget his match winning innings at Calcutta against India in 1999 & some others of similar sort.It was because of his ability of coming up with good innings of 50+(and sometimes 100+) after the collapse of the top order that he became the favourite cricketer of people like Robin Jackman even.IMO,He was a better batsman than his stats reflect but his keeping was pretty ordinary.Missing easy catches & stumpings used to be his habit.Personally, I think he should've left keeping to concentrate more on his batting & let Rashid Latif do the job of a wicket keeper.So,I don't think you should include people like Moin in your team unless they are good keepers.I think including Rashid Latif or Wasim Bari would be a better choice.
I remember Imran Khan used to be against the selection of these type of Bits & Pieces players.He refuse to prefer Tasleem Arif(who was a very fine WK- batsman(more of a batsman) & even scored a double hundred against an australian attack which included Dennis"Greentop Bully"Lillee over Wasim Bari was a poor batsman but a goodkeeper.
an indian alltime test xi:
sunil gavaskar
vinoo mankad
rahul dravid
sachin tendulkar
gundappa vishwanath
dilip vengsarkar
kapil dev
syed kirmani
erapalli prasanna
bishan bedi
anil kumble
kapil and mankad(srinath is india's second best pacer but in my opinion he is pretty average and i don't want to throw in a fast bowler just for the sake of convention) to open the bowling and then three exceptional spinners...people like merchant and hazare were fine batsmen no doubt but in terms of accomplishment at the international level, i don't think they reached the level of vishy and venky....couple of people who are unfortunate not to make the team in my opinion are subhash gupte and bhagwat chandrasekhar, but this would be a pretty good team....
sunil gavaskar
vinoo mankad
rahul dravid
sachin tendulkar
gundappa vishwanath
dilip vengsarkar
kapil dev
syed kirmani
erapalli prasanna
bishan bedi
anil kumble
kapil and mankad(srinath is india's second best pacer but in my opinion he is pretty average and i don't want to throw in a fast bowler just for the sake of convention) to open the bowling and then three exceptional spinners...people like merchant and hazare were fine batsmen no doubt but in terms of accomplishment at the international level, i don't think they reached the level of vishy and venky....couple of people who are unfortunate not to make the team in my opinion are subhash gupte and bhagwat chandrasekhar, but this would be a pretty good team....
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Pakistan:
Saeed Anwar
Haneef Muhammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari+
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis
Fazal Mahmood
Saeed Anwar
Haneef Muhammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari+
Abdul Qadir
Waqar Younis
Fazal Mahmood
adharcric
International Coach
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
It was pleasantly surprising to see how similar our teams were. Perhaps it must be depressing that there isn't that much competition too in a way? Nissar was probably slightly better but I don't think there was a huge difference between them. Amar Singh could bat a bit as well which swayed me towards Amar Singh. Ideally, I would want them both.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Careful mate..
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Akram @ # 7 gives the Pakistan batting too long of a tail IMO. Don't think he was ever good enough of a batsman in test cricket in that postion to handle top-quality attacks.
Would rather have Mo Yo @ # 6 in even if Pakistan only have Imran/Wasim/Waqar/Qadir, which at their best would give any batting line-up great worries.