Thats the point, bowling poll also wrong with a hand picked 7, you think Lillee would have only got only 1 vote lol
Player comparison sub-forum logic now creeping heavily into main forum threads
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Your ATG Team opening batsmen combo
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Player comparison sub-forum logic now creeping heavily into main forum threads
kyear2
International Coach
Would he have won? Or placed in the top 3?
In any event, @capt_Luffy & @Red_Ink_Squid , I've added Grace and for @srbhkshk , Greenidge.
Let's see how they impact the results.
So again, you've selected who in your opinion can be added, while dismissing them at the same time, rather than all the players people suggested. Why don't you just name who the two best openers are, why do a selective poll?
kyear2
International Coach
Now you're just being difficult.
How many options do you need for 2 slots?
The poll is fine, it will not impact the results. Tbh it was fine at 5 names.
In your opinion. So why ask for anyone else's opinion if your opinion is all that matters?
There are a significant number of threads that have selected 2 best ATG openers on this forum after allowing all to be considered. Yours is the first I've read that only allows 5 players to be voted on, with Simpson being a ridiculous 6th option (that used to be a CW Meme, always have one joke poll option to laugh at)
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srbhkshk
International Captain
Not sure if that's me but to be clear I don't think bowlers being able to bat is the same thing as batsman being able to bowl. I would like it if all my bowlers could bat (obviously - assuming minor to no difference in bowling quality), but as far as batsman being able to bowl are concerned - one (or at max 2) is enough.
kyear2
International Coach
Your objections are duly noted.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
TBF, looks like so far only 4 players have gotten any votes at all, and within those 4 it isn't close either. Which suggests Kyear's instincts are probably right?
If you think an open thread for discussing openers (without a poll) would be more interesting, start the thread imo. It kinda sounds like you just don't like Kyear so better to start something you'd find worthwhile than argue in circles in this one.
kyear2
International Coach
Or maybe people like me aren't voting as our choice is not there to vote on?
Coronis
International Coach
Like some of your posts from your earlier days, my opinions have also evolved. Not too much on this though. I consider Sutcliffe and Hutton practically level and a bit ahead of Gavaskar so I pick Sutcliffe based on two things. 1) He has an actual history with the other opener I’m picking, they’re an actual known quantity as the best opening pair ever. 2) I prefer him on a personal level, if I think two players are close enough to level, my personal bias is likely to affect my choice.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Who would you pick as your openers in an ATG XI?
kyear2
International Coach
Just people just like to be contradictory, all he's doing is derailing the thread and have added nothing of substance to it. Instead of discussing the names mentioned,.or even suggesting any he's just finding fault.
In reality there are literally 3 options that have a chance to win here, the rest is allowing persons with rational opinions to express them.
My votes would be between Hobbs, Greenidge, Gavaskar, Boycott and Hayden depending on the day (Gavaskar always #1 though)
kyear2
International Coach
Yeah, the partnership is an amazing advantage.
But I have just a few issues with him as my selection.
1. Like all 3 bowlers from the same era, two openers from that era would scare me a little, not sure how they would perform the modern pacers.
2. His strike rate for me is just a tad too low, I know for you it doesn't matter, but there are situations where it's beneficial to be able to step up the rate..
3. Played a bit of his career with the old lbw rules, something that would have made life considerably easier.
4. Less important, but batted with Hobbs most of not al of his career and was always seen as the no. 2, a little like Haynes and Langer. As I said, not nearly the factor as the others though.
But yes, the partnership could prove to be very valuable.
kyear2
International Coach
If you can't find your choice there, your choice isn't serous.
And you're free to interpret that any way you see fit.
I do find it hilarious and disingenuous how you accused me of trying to manipulate the other vote, while that's exactly what you did in this one.
It's just proving you to be someone not to be taken seriously.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
@shortpitched713
And well, Hadlee, Imran and Marshall were all top tier ATG bowlers who offered something different. Simpson is just simply not in the tier of Hutton/Gavaskar as a batsman.
kyear2
International Coach
Have we ever looked into some of the bowlers he faced as an opener? His production was as good as anyone's and he brings a lot to the table.
He has a good a claim to the no 6 as almost anyone and a better record to boot.
Not saying I would vote for him, but don't understand the uproar either.
kyear2
International Coach
Of greater personal interest, neither of my choices are exactly lighting it up in either poll.
Steyn is last out of 7 options and Barry would have been ahead of just Sutcliffe from the viable 5 options.
But Barry is similar to Steyn for me, the same way I know Hutton and Hadlee are rated higher, Barry brings two dimensions that Hutton just doesn't.
1. He beings the ability to accelerate and but the opponents on the back foot. Something that even in his era, Hutton was reluctant to attempt.
2. In my team's current makeup, it lacks a top tier 1st slip option and Barry fills that need as well.
And in addition to all of that, Barry did have a higher peer ratings than Sunny in the 70's. It just makes roo much sense.
But yeah, either I'm just off on these two or the forum needs more SA members.
Steyn is last out of 7 options and Barry would have been ahead of just Sutcliffe from the viable 5 options.
But Barry is similar to Steyn for me, the same way I know Hutton and Hadlee are rated higher, Barry brings two dimensions that Hutton just doesn't.
1. He beings the ability to accelerate and but the opponents on the back foot. Something that even in his era, Hutton was reluctant to attempt.
2. In my team's current makeup, it lacks a top tier 1st slip option and Barry fills that need as well.
And in addition to all of that, Barry did have a higher peer ratings than Sunny in the 70's. It just makes roo much sense.
But yeah, either I'm just off on these two or the forum needs more SA members.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Well, his peak came in a flatish era and like, someone is the 6th best doesn't really makes them viable (not to mention he isn't even 6th really, more like 12th). Verity is probably the 7th best spinner and a better bat than many, doesn't really makes him viable.