Your All Time XI'S test/one day

[pasag]

Reckon it's time for both of you to put each other on ignore, itbt.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Reckon it's time for both of you to put each other on ignore, itbt.

Not a feature I need to ignore someone's posts if I want to........but point taken.......goodbye Nev.

This was an England team of the 70's chosen in 1980.

1. Geoff Boycott
2. Dennis Amiss
3. John Edrich
4. Keith Fletcher
5. Tony Greig
6. Ian Botham
7. Alan Knott
8. Ray Illingworth
9. John Snow
10. Derek Underwood
11. Bob Willis

 

[Nutter]

I'll pick my ODI XI (based on modern players that I've seen play in my lifetime).

A Gilchrist
S Jayasuriya
R Ponting
S Tendulkar
V Sehwag
M Bevan
C Cairns
W Akram
G McGrath
A Donald
M Muralitharan

A bit worried about that tail which starts at 9, but with an Akram, McGrath, Donald swing/seam/pace attack, plus a classy spinner in Murali, and Cairns as 4th seamer, plus plenty of part timers in Sehwag, Tendulkar and Bevan, you wouldn't be expecting chases of 300+ too often. Which would be rather gettable anyway with the firepower in the top order, batting nous of 3 and 4, and fireworks of the lower order, plus Bevan to make sure you win the game.

 

[neville cardus]

Oh dear, resorting to the "same to you with knobs on" replies.
You just haven't got what it takes mate...sorry.

Seek help. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Reckon it's time for both of you to put each other on ignore, itbt.

Yes, how do I do that?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I'll pick my ODI XI (based on modern players that I've seen play in my lifetime).

A Gilchrist
S Jayasuriya
R Ponting
S Tendulkar
V Sehwag
M Bevan
C Cairns
W Akram
G McGrath
A Donald
M Muralitharan

A bit worried about that tail which starts at 9, but with an Akram, McGrath, Donald swing/seam/pace attack, plus a classy spinner in Murali, and Cairns as 4th seamer, plus plenty of part timers in Sehwag, Tendulkar and Bevan, you wouldn't be expecting chases of 300+ too often. Which would be rather gettable anyway with the firepower in the top order, batting nous of 3 and 4, and fireworks of the lower order, plus Bevan to make sure you win the game.

It would be quite fascinating to see if a Country did happen to throw up three bowlers of that quality at the same time who can't bat whether they would use them all in the same ODI XI.

 

[paddy11]

All time test

Sunil Gavaskar
William Grace
Donald Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Garfield Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Ian Botham
Anil Kumble
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee

12th Man Jonty Rhodes

 

[Flem274*]

Jamie How
Johan Myburgh
Peter Fulton
Greg Hay
Ross Taylor
Jacob Oram
Brendan McCullum
Daniel Vettori
James Franklin
Kyle Mills
Tim Southee

Well I hope so anyway

 

[silentstriker]

No, and they're really not comparable.

And if we apply the same arguments, Sehwag, in his short career, has done poorly against 4/9 Test nations. His annihilation of Pakistan really boosts his figures. He is a good player though, as he has shown against Australia. When he gets on a roll he is a hard train to stop.

Hayden has played just less tests than double what Sehwag has. If Sehwag played 100 odd averaging roughly the same - although better spread throughout test nations - then he could figure in an all-time XI. But as it stands, no. He'll have to improve a lot before he is at Hayden's level.

Sehwag also has an S/R that is 15 higher than Hayden. To put that into perspective - the difference between Hayden and Kallis is only 17.

 

[silentstriker]

And no, I am not claiming that Sehwag is better than Hayden - just that neither should sniff an all time XI.

 

[Engle]

If you endorse the view that an opening partnership should compose one LH batsman and/or one attacking one, then both may lay claims to a place.

After all, who would be a better LH opener or a better attacking opener ?

 

[aussie]

Greatest ever Team XI's to actually play a test instead of picking players across era's:

The criteria of selection would probably be the best XI whereby no player is a weaklink.

WEST INDIES 1980, [URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63383.html"]1984.[/URL]

AUSTRALIA [URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62676.html"]1947, 1955, 1975, 2001[URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64092.html"], 2004.[/URL][/URL]

ENGLAND 1953, [URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62771.html"]1954, [URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62894.html"]1961. [/URL][/URL]

SOUTH AFRICA 1982, [URL="http://content-wi.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63860.html"]1999.[/URL]

 

[Ikki]

Sehwag also has an S/R that is 15 higher than Hayden. To put that into perspective - the difference between Hayden and Kallis is only 17.

I assume this is referring to the other thread?

I mentioned that all being equal, if one strikes better than yes, that player is better. Not if one player averages 200 against one team and poor against the other, matches the other player in average because of it yet is a faster scorer overall.

But it's not as simple as that, I'm sure you know this and misunderstood me.

Anyway, you're assertion that Hayden can't sniff an all-time XI is laughable. I've stated why and if you want we can even argue why. But, considering you had no input when I was arguing with Pasag I'm quite sure you're not going to have much now. If Hayden can't sniff at an all-time XI the implication that Gavaskar - or the other openers - can is simply funny. I'd love an argument comparing the two. If you can prove me wrong, so be it, I walk away with a changed opinion. If you can't, then you must simply concede that Hayden is as great, if not greater, than some of the names ordinarily mentioned for opening slots in an all-time XI.

Gavaskar batted in a time where he was lucky to face a bowler of Gillespie's repute in a whole line-up against a side. He batted in a time where half the team had a turn bowling, and most of them wouldn't be fit to shine some of shoes of current players. You go look up at the line-up of bowlers he faced and then come back and tell me with a straight face that Gavaskar had it tougher.

 

[silentstriker]

I assume this is referring to the other thread?

No.

Anyway, you're assertion that Hayden can't sniff an all-time XI is laughable. I've stated why and if you want we can even argue why. But, considering you had no input when I was arguing with Pasag I'm quite sure you're not going to have much now. If Hayden can't sniff at an all-time XI the implication that Gavaskar - or the other openers - can is simply funny. I'd love an argument comparing the two.

I gave the reasons - he isn't very good when the ball is seaming around. He is quite possibly the prototypical FTB, the perfect example of one, and shows how you can still have an excellent career without having the ability to play excellent swing/seam on bowling surfaces.

 

[Ikki]

I gave the reasons - he isn't very good when the ball is seaming around. He is quite possibly the prototypical FTB, the perfect example of one, and shows how you can still have an excellent career without having the ability to play excellent swing/seam on bowling surfaces.

Except the very fact that he did bat greatly against good swing and seam. Do I have to remind you of the recently concluded series against India? What about the 2001 series against S.Africa and the way he demolished them? That's one of the greatest line-ups of bowlers in modern times.

What about the fact that most of the other openers did not face spin to the quality of Hayden - arguably Hobbs/Sutcliffe did.

What about the fact that Hayden not only scores more runs on average than some of them, scores more centuries on average than all of them, also scoring faster than most if not all of them, whilst scored them against/in a better bowling era too...

In fact, the biggest difference that is in favour of someone like Gavaskar (at least to me) is that the tracks are flatter now. That's it. Most of it is in favour of Hayden.

 

[Manee]

with a few hundred tonnes of salt.

Made me for some reason.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Here's an All Time XI with the proviso that they must hold a current Test Match Record.

1.Graham Gooch
2.Jack Hobbs
3.Don Bradman
4.Viv Richards
5.Brian Lara
6.Sachin Tendulkar
7.Adam Gilchrist
8.Dennis Lillee
9.Glenn McGrath
10.Syd Barnes
11.Murali

 

[GIMH]

Intrigued as to what each of these records is

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Here's an All Time XI with the proviso that they must hold a current Test Match Record.

1.Graham Gooch
2.Jack Hobbs
3.Don Bradman
4.Viv Richards
5.Brian Lara
6.Sachin Tendulkar
7.Adam Gilchrist
8.Dennis Lillee
9.Glenn McGrath
10.Syd Barnes
11.Murali

Intrigued as to what each of these records is

1. Most runs in a match
2. Oldest century maker
3. Take your pick
4. Fastest century (from balls faced)
5. Highest score (There are other's should his record fall today)
6. Most centuries
7. Most sixes
8. Fastest to 250 wickets
9. Most dismissals caught behind
10. Most wickets in a series
11. Most wickets

One or two are a bit tenuous but the same players tend to hog several records.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Oh I just love making these teams.. My friend and I used to have regular in depth discussions on these all time teams

Anyways.... My All Time Test XI

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Geofrey Boycott
3. Sir Vivian Richards
4. Sir Donald Bradman
5. Sir Garfield Sobers
6. Ian Chappel
7. Adam Gilchrist (WK)
8. Imran Khan (C)
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Michael Holding
11. Shane Warne

 

[gettingbetter]

I'm always suprised as to how many people don't pick Marshall for their XI.