Your All Time XI'S test/one day

[neville cardus]

As the odious Lillian Thompson would be quick to point out, I have not followed the OP's criteria. This is a collection of should-be greats, players to whom history and providence were unkind. Hopefully it is of interest:

1. Frank Roro
2. Reg Miles
3. Wilton St Hill
4. Alfred Mynn
5. Ilikena Lasurusa Talebulamaineiilikenamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau
6. Johnny Mullagh
7. Jack Blackham (captain, wicketkeeper)
8. Bart King
9. George Freeman
10. Ted Peate
11. Ikey Hodgson

 

[silentstriker]

Love it when I see an American in a cricket side - and a fellow Philadelphian to boot.

 

[silentstriker]

King might have been the original exponent of reverse swing too - if accounts are to be believed.

 

[neville cardus]

Love it when I see an American in a cricket side - and a fellow Philadelphian to boot.

Fascinating character and cricketer.

 

[silentstriker]

Fascinating character and cricketer.

Absolutely. First complete 'angler' of the ball - really helped further the art of fast bowling.

 

[neville cardus]

That's probably overdoing it -- although that praise has been heaped on him so frequently for so long that it has come to be generally accepted.

So far as I can tell, however, the "[f]irst complete 'angler' of the ball" was in fact Frank Allan, "The Bowler of the Century", who formulated a boomerang ball by hurling an Aboriginal waddy at phalangers.

 

[silentstriker]

That's probably overdoing it -- although that praise has been heaped on him so frequently for so long that it has come to be generally accepted.

So far as I can tell, however, the "[f]irst complete 'angler' of the ball" was in fact Frank Allan, "The Bowler of the Century", who formulated a boomerang ball by hurling an Aboriginal waddy at phalangers.

Perhaps - but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who lived in Philly.

 

[JBMAC]

As the odious Lillian Thompson would be quick to point out, I have not followed the OP's criteria. This is a collection of should-be greats, players to whom history and providence were unkind. Hopefully it is of interest:

1. Frank Roro
2. Reg Miles
3. Wilton St Hill
4. Alfred Mynn
5. Ilikena Lasurusa Talebulamaineiilikenamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau
6. Johnny Mullagh
7. Jack Blackham (captain, wicketkeeper)
8. Bart King
9. George Freeman
10. Ted Peate
11. Ikey Hodgson

Love it when I see an American in a cricket side - and a fellow Philadelphian to boot.

King might have been the original exponent of reverse swing too - if accounts are to be believed.

Fascinating character and cricketer.

Perhaps - but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who lived in Philly.

Bart King
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
First-class 65 114 10 2134 113* 20.51 1 8 67 0

Bowling averages Mat Runs Wkts BBI Ave 5w 10
First-class 65 6502 415 10/53 15.66 38 11

Career statistics First-class span 1893 - 1912

Profile

Bart King was by a wide margin the greatest cricketer that the US has ever produced, as well as being a great character. His reputation outside America was largely made by his three tours of England with The Philadelphians (who before World War 1 played cricket to a high standard) in 1897, 1903 and 1908. His figures in first-class matches on those tours were:

Runs Avge Wkts Avge
1897 441 20.10 72 24.20
1903 653 28.89 93 14.91
1908 290 16.11 87 11.01

Though by 1908 he was 35 years old, his bowling average was the lowest of the English season. His 87 wickets were taken in just 10 matches. He bowled very fast in his early days, and developed the ability to swing the ball late from leg. Judges such as Pelham Warner, C.B.Fry and H.V.Horden ranked him amongst the great bowlers.

In all first-class matches he scored 2134 runs at 20.52, with 1 century, and took 415 wickets at 15.67.

 

[Zinzan]

All-time XI - Changes all the time.

Hobbs
Hayden
Bradman
Ponting/Tendulkar/Lara/Hammond
V. Richards
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath

No we are after your World XI, not your Australian. I mean Hayden (greatest ever opener) give me a break, I suppose this is a classic situation where statistics don't tell the real story,

 

[Slifer]

WI XI:

Hunte
Greenidge
Headley
Lara
Richards*
Walcott+
Sobers
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

ODI XI:

Greenidge
Haynes
Richards
Lara
Lloyd*
Gayle
Dujon+
Holding
Roberts
Ambrose
Garner

World XI

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Hammond
SRT
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran*
Hadlee
Marshall
Mcgrath

ODI XI

SRT
Haynes
Richards
Ponting*
Lara
Bevan
Gilchrist+
Akram
Garner
Murali
Mcgrath

 

[James_W]

Tests

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Lara
Richards*
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Pollock
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

ODI

Tendulkar
Gilchrist+
Richards
Ponting*
Lara
Bevan
Pollock
Akram
Warne
Bond
McGrath

Out of those selected, Hobbs is the only one I haven't seen play, but I feel he picks himself in any All-Time XI, so they're my selections, mostly based on who I've saw play.

 

[JBMAC]

Tests

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Lara
Richards*
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Pollock
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

ODI

Tendulkar
Gilchrist+
Richards
Ponting*
Lara
Bevan
Pollock
Akram
Warne
Bond
McGrath

Out of those selected, Hobbs is the only one I haven't seen play, but I feel he picks himself in any All-Time XI, so they're my selections, mostly based on who I've saw play.

Just curious when/where did you see Bradman play?

 

[Migara]

Yeh, mine is heavily Aussie. Fortunately, there is a lot to back it up and it's not pure bias. Bradman walks in, so does Gilchrist; Warne, Lillee and McGrath are my top 3 bowlers of all time (in that order);

May be yours. Fir me, Marsall > Lillee, Hadlee > McGrath, and Murali slightly better than Warne.

On the other hand, I see your list...is it anti-Aussie?

You'll see the fair share of Aussies in it,

Seriously, it's not much of a competition between Gilchrist and Flower for Wk. One is a much much better keeper whilst the other one can claim to be a little better at batting.

Flower is better than Gilchist than a bit. He's up there with the best of the era. His average is only slightly better than Gilchrist, but we have to remember that he score much larger % of runs for his country, bearing much more pressure than Gilchrist. I think as a rule, 40 from a batter from a minnow side is better than a 40 from a batter from a good side, because in minnow sides, the pressure is more.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

As the odious Lillian Thompson would be quick to point out, I have not followed the OP's criteria. This is a collection of should-be greats, players to whom history and providence were unkind. Hopefully it is of interest:

1. Frank Roro
2. Reg Miles
3. Wilton St Hill
4. Alfred Mynn
5. Ilikena Lasurusa Talebulamaineiilikenamainavaleniveivakabulaimainakulalakebalau
6. Johnny Mullagh
7. Jack Blackham (captain, wicketkeeper)
8. Bart King
9. George Freeman
10. Ted Peate
11. Ikey Hodgson

Odious? I suppose at least on this occasion you didn't attempt to cover your lack of thought power by using a string of pointless long words.
Credit where it's due though, apart from the number 5 who's long name is his main claim to fame, it's not a bad side.

 

[Ikki]

May be yours. Fir me, Marsall > Lillee, Hadlee > McGrath, and Murali slightly better than Warne.

Great, have who you like.

You'll see the fair share of Aussies in it,

Nah, don't think it's quite fair, but that's why I have more Aussies than you.

Flower is better than Gilchist than a bit. He's up there with the best of the era. His average is only slightly better than Gilchrist, but we have to remember that he score much larger % of runs for his country, bearing much more pressure than Gilchrist. I think as a rule, 40 from a batter from a minnow side is better than a 40 from a batter from a good side, because in minnow sides, the pressure is more.

You also have to remember that Gilchrist batted at #7 and played an entirely different role. Gilchrist also scores at almost double the SR.

But that wasn't the point as I conceded that Flower can be considered the better batsman. As a keeper, he is not in the same postcode.

 

[Ikki]

No we are after your World XI, not your Australian. I mean Hayden (greatest ever opener) give me a break, I suppose this is a classic situation where statistics don't tell the real story,

Depends whose story you are talking about. Facts/stats are there aplenty to back up his position. If you've read the thread you'd not need me to restate them for you.

 

[James_W]

Just curious when/where did you see Bradman play?

Oh yeah, he picks himself also.

 

[lord brown]

From players from my lifetime of watching cricket

England XI

1, Trescothick
2, Gooch
3, Vaughan
4, Thorpe
5, Hussain
6, Stewart
7, Flintoff
8, Gough
9, Hoggard
10, Harmison
11, Tufnell

All time World XI

1, Hayden
2, Jayasuriya
3, Lara
4, S Waugh
5, Tendulkar
6, Gilchrist
7, Flintoff
8, Warne
9, Muralithiran
10, Donald
11, McGrath

 

[aussie]

oh my another all-time XI threads so much already on CW. But after have had decent attempts at selecting various All-time XI these without doubt are the best possible All-time XI's for each top 8 side:

AUSTRALIA:

Bob Simpson
Matthew Hayden
Donald Bradman*
Greg Chappell
Steve Waugh
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist+
Ray Lindwall
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath


ENGLAND:

Len Hutton*
Jack Hobbs
Peter May
Walter Hammond
Dennis Compton
Alec Stewart+
Ian Botham
Wilfred Rhodes
Fred Trueman
John Snow
Brian Statham


INDIA (Home Test)

Sunil Gavaskar
Vijay Merchant
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Vijay Hazare*
Vinoo Mankad
Kapil Dev
Syed Kirmani+
Anil Kumble
Bishen Bedi
Erapalli Prasanna


NEW ZEALAND:

Glen Turner
Stewie Dempster
Bert Sutcliffe
Martin Crowe*
Martin Donnelly
John Reid
Chris Cairns
Richard Hadlee
Adam Parore+
Shane Bond
Jack Cowie


PAKISTAN:

Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Imran Khan*
Moin Khan+
Wasim Akram
Abdul Qadir
Shoaib Akhtar
Waqar Younis


SOUTH AFRICA:

Bruce Mitchell
Barry Richards
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Dudley Nourse
Clive Rice*
Denis Lindsay+
Mike Procter
Aubrey Faulkner
Allan Donald
Neil Adcock


SRI LANKA:

Marvan Atapattu
Sanath Jayasuriya
Roy Dias
Kumar Sangakkara+
Aravinda De Silva
Mahela Jayawardene
Arjuna Ranatunga*
Chaminda Vaas
Somochandra De Silva/Ravi Ratnayake
Muttiah Muralitharan
Lasith Malinga


WEST INDIES:

Conrad Hunte
Gordon Greenidge
Brian Lara
George Headley
Viv Richards*
Gary Sobers
Jeff Dujon+
Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Joel Garner
Curtly Ambrose

Cant argue with these selections..

 

[Googenheim]

INDIA (Home Test)

Sunil Gavaskar
Vijay Merchant
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Vijay Hazare*
Vinoo Mankad
Kapil Dev
Syed Kirmani+
Anil Kumble
Bishen Bedi
Erapalli Prasanna

Cant argue with these selections..

So... Gavaskar to open the bowling from the other end again ?