You were WRONG on the Polls !

[marc71178]

That is the basis introduced by someone a couple of weeks back to try and compare teams, and seemed quite fair to me.

If we take your example of wanting games between sides to have completed as close to each other as possible that means we disregard Sunday completely (which is fine by me )

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by marc71178
That is the basis introduced by someone a couple of weeks back to try and compare teams, and seemed quite fair to me.

If we take your example of wanting games between sides to have completed as close to each other as possible that means we disregard Sunday completely (which is fine by me )

Remember, I am talking about a context as well.....a series was played in India and then another was played in England within a few months and then a match was played in neutral territory.That to me appears to be a fair context in which two teams can be evaluated.It represents a variety of conditions with more or less the same set of players.

So, I ain't dropping the Sunday match to evaluate the relative strengths of these teams.As for you, suit yourself.

 

[marc71178]

Even though it contravenes your same set of players clause?

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by marc71178
Even though it contravenes your same set of players clause?

Please go back and read what I said......"more or less the same set of players".....more or less, capisch ?

 

[mayadevi]

Originally posted by mayadevi
I think the fianl will be b/w the two best teams, India and Australia.It will be an interesting contest b/w the best batting side in the world(india) verses one of the best bowling side(aus)

It looks like my prediction is comming true, India is in the final and Aus might be the other team.Can India lifts the cup?? Hopefully

 

[Anil]

It looks like my prediction is comming true, India is in the final and Aus might be the other team.Can India lifts the cup?? Hopefully

If that batting lineup clicks once more, anything is possible. I have learned over the years though, that it's hazardous to make predictions on India. I might be superstitious, but almost everytime I have had high expectations from them, they have screwed up somehow. All Indian fans, let's just keep our fingers crossed.

 

[aussie_beater]

.....All Indian fans, let's just keep our fingers crossed.

Touche !

 

[marc71178]

Please go back and read what I said......"more or less the same set of players".....more or less, capisch ?

OK, in the Natwest England played 15 different players.

Of those players, the following are absent from the ICC owing to injury or family troubles:
Flintoff
Collingwood
Vaughan
Gough
Tudor
Thorpe
Kirtley

So almost half of the England squad has changed - hardly more or less the same team is it?

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by marc71178
OK, in the Natwest England played 15 different players.

Of those players, the following are absent from the ICC owing to injury or family troubles:
Flintoff
Collingwood
Vaughan
Gough
Tudor
Thorpe
Kirtley

So almost half of the England squad has changed - hardly more or less the same team is it?

From one series to another there are bound to be some changes,specially when the team(England) is losing.That's why you don't see Tudor, Kirtley.Not sure about Collingwood too.And that leaves only four or five players out with injury in a team of fifteen......a definite case of more or less same team for me.

 

[marc71178]

Tudor keeps getting niggles, and both Collingwood and Kirtley are injured - so no it is half the side has changed, 1 due to his own retirement, but the other 6 are injured.

Definitely not "more or less the same squad"

 

[aussie_beater]

Originally posted by marc71178
....so no it is half the side has changed, 1 due to his own retirement, but the other 6 are injured.

Definitely not "more or less the same squad"

6 out of 15 doesn't make half the side....get your maths straightened out first. And that's where it becomes "more or less".

And Tudor getting niggles....yeah, everybody gets niggles but still plays if he is any good. Tudor ain't the chosen one, mate and so isn't playing.

Like somebody said, "Cricket is injurious to English health, so keep off it"

[Edited on 25/9/2002 by aussie_beater]

 

[Anil]

So what if it is not the same set of players? It is still the English national team, isn't it? So, why shouldn't we compare results? If any of the injured players had been hugely successful against India in the recent past, that would have been understandable, but apart from Trescothick and to a certain extent Hussain, I don't think any of the others have been that consistent against India, especially not the bowlers. So, what's the big deal about same team, different teams, blah...blah...? The fact is that any team which England put on the field against India in the Indian series, the Natwest and the ICC trophy have been less than successful in terms of results(England had to come back from behind in the Indian series, lost a close final in the Natwest and were soundly thrashed in the ICC).

 

[Neil Pickup]

It looks like my prediction is comming true, India is in the final and Aus might be the other team.Can India lifts the cup?? Hopefully

This is starting to remind me of Liverpool's European matches over the last few years. Twenty or so times I predicted their defeat and they won. I predict that they beat Leverkusen, they go out.

India will win the final.

 

[marc71178]

So what if it is not the same set of players?

That is the point we've been debating, so I guess it is important in this case?

 

[marc71178]

Originally posted by aussie_beater

Originally posted by marc71178
....so no it is half the side has changed, 1 due to his own retirement, but the other 6 are injured.

Definitely not "more or less the same squad"

6 out of 15 doesn't make half the side....get your maths straightened out first. And that's where it becomes "more or less".

And Tudor getting niggles....yeah, everybody gets niggles but still plays if he is any good. Tudor ain't the chosen one, mate and so isn't playing.

So if you took 6 out of the India squad would you expect that the replacements would be exactly the same in terms of ability?

 

[Anil]

That is the point we've been debating, so I guess it is important in this case?

Guess you just read the 1st sentence in my post. My point was that it is not
important in this case and I had given some points to support it.

 

[mayadevi]

[quote
This is starting to remind me of Liverpool's European matches over the last few years. Twenty or so times I predicted their defeat and they won. I predict that they beat Leverkusen, they go out.

India will win the final. [/quote]


Why this animosity towards the Indians? did i offend u somewhere?Oh i see, ur team was trashed by India in the current championship and before that on ur own soil and u can't swallow that.
For the mental well being of some jealous English fans i do hope India lose the final, othwise these Englishmen will lose their senses!

[Edited on 25/9/2002 by mayadevi]

 

[marc71178]

Why this animosity towards the Indians? did i offend u somewhere?Oh i see, ur team was trashed by India in the current championship and before that on ur own soil and u can't swallow that.
For the mental well being of some jealous English fans i do hope India lose the final, othwise these Englishmen will lose their senses!

More likely he is, like I am, tired of those that only come on here when India have a good day and proclaim India to be world beaters.

 

[marc71178]

Guess you just read the 1st sentence in my post. My point was that it is not
important in this case and I had given some points to support it.

But considering it is a debate I'm having with aussie beater - it is relevant in this case.

 

[muralilal]

More likely he is, like I am, tired of those that only come on here when India have a good day and proclaim India to be world beaters.

I think thats just a figment of ur imagination. I have read posts by all the Indians and none of them have been claiming that India are World beaters or even better than SA, leave alone Aus.

The only think that an Englishmen should be tired of is the injuries to English players, half the team is out with injuries all the time, wonder if they are actually injured or whether they don't have the ball to show up?