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Would you trade Bradman for these cricketers?

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Bolo.

International Captain
What assumption is everyone running off that makes this a comparison? If this is an average team, I would assume Bradman would come with a slightly below average additional player. In which case they crush all of these pairs.

If it's Bradman plus a player who can't bat or bowl at all, I might take all of the listed pairs.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Johan said:
now why oh why would you take Murali and Ranatunga over the Don
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Ranatunga in tests Nah.

Murali and Aravinda de Silva would have been compelling.
Murali and Sangakkara would be a big fat yes.
Infact Sangakkara as a cricketer is much closer to Bradman than many. (other than for Imran and Sobers, who are more valuable players than Bradman)
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Migara said:
Ranatunga in tests Nah.

Murali and Aravinda de Silva would have been compelling.
Murali and Sangakkara would be a big fat yes.
Infact Sangakkara as a cricketer is much closer to Bradman than many. (other than for Imran and Sobers, who are more valuable players than Bradman)
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explain the rationale behind Imran being more valuable than Bradman?
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Johan said:
explain the rationale behind Imran being more valuable than Bradman?
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All rounder + charismatic leader. Bradman is like having two batsmen, hence two players. Ditto for Imran and Sobers. Their third set of skills of fielding (Sobers) and captaincy (Imran) easily pushes them past Bradman.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Migara said:
All rounder + charismatic leader. Bradman is like having two batsmen, hence two players. Ditto for Imran and Sobers. Their third skills of fielding (Sobers) and captaincy (Imran) easily pushes them past Bradman.
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that doesn't make sense at all, Imran is an ATG bowler, ATG batters like Sachin/Viv have output of 46-48 runs per inning, Bradman has 87 runs an inning, to fill that pure volume gap you have to put someone like Greenidge or Gooch there, and Imran is not even close to the level of batting needed to reach Don. Plus, when he was actually an all rounder, his batting output wasn't even 30 runs an inning, it was way less.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Johan said:
that doesn't make sense at all, Imran is an ATG bowler, ATG batters like Sachin/Viv have output of 46-48 runs per inning, Bradman has 87 runs an inning, to fill that pure volume gap you have to put someone like Greenidge or Gooch there, and Imran is not even close to the level of batting needed to reach Don. Plus, when he was actually an all rounder, his batting output wasn't even 30 runs an inning, it was way less.
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Bradman is like a batsman averaging 55 + another averaging 45. Imran with their bowling and Sobers with his batting already is there with the first, may be little ahead. Then a bowler averaging 32 and a batsman averaging 37 is not very far behind a batsman averaging 45. Then you add the third discipline, even that gap readily disappears.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Migara said:
Bradman is like a batsman averaging 55 + another averaging 45. Imran with their bowling and Sobers with his batting already is there with the first, may be little ahead. Then a bowler averaging 32 and a batsman averaging 37 is not very far behind a batsman averaging 45. Then you add the third discipline, even that gap readily disappears.
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Er, Sobers averages 34 with the ball, I don't think that's really close to a 45 averaging Batsmen. a 26-28 averaging bowler is probably about on par with a 45 averaging batter, Sobers isn't really close to that. 37 (Atherton) isn't close to 45 (Greenidge) but Imran's batting average can't be taken at face value, he dropped bowling at one point and focused entirely on batting, at that point he was a batter, when he used to be an all rounder and an ATG bowler he used to average 32 with the bat, only outputted 27 runs an inning, not even close to what's needed to truly dethrone Bradman. I'm guessing you need bowling like Imran + batting like Kohli to be in conversation with Bradman.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Migara said:
All rounder + charismatic leader. Bradman is like having two batsmen, hence two players. Ditto for Imran and Sobers. Their third set of skills of fielding (Sobers) and captaincy (Imran) easily pushes them past Bradman.
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I recall Bradman being a poor captain.
 
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