Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
Ooops. I overlooked Immenso's work in providing stats for Tests, WSC and ROW matches. (Post #38). Now THAT could be called me cherry picking! 
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World Series Cricket Stats
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At least the ROW matches in the early 70s did have first-class status, BUT WSC matches, the Super Tests DON'T even have that, it's an utter joke when matches like Leic v Loughborough UCCC did have first-class status.
All the players that played them say it was just about the toughest cricket they played.
All the players that played them say it was just about the toughest cricket they played.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
True, Leicestershire were truly abominable for a few years there.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Mike Procter pls
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Eddie Barlow:
| Batting: | Tests + ROW matches | Innings | Runs | Average | 100s | 50s |
| Tests | 30 | 57 | 2516 | 45.74 | 6 | 15 |
| ROW XI 1970 | 5 | 9 | 353 | 39.22 | 2 | 0 |
| WSC | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 36 | 68 | 2869 | 43.47 | 8 | 15 |
| Bowling: | Tests + ROW matches | Runs | Wickets | Ave | 5ws | 10ws |
| Tests | 30 | 1362 | 40 | 34.04 | 1 | 0 |
| ROW XI 1970 | 5 | 396 | 20 | 19.80 | 3 | 1 |
| WSC | 1 | - | - | - | - | - |
| Total | 36 | 1758 | 60 | 29.30 | 4 | 1 |
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Mike Procter:
| Batting: | Tests + ROW matches | Innings | NOs | Runs | Average | 100s | 50s |
| Test | 7 | 10 | 1 | 226 | 25.11 | 0 | 0 |
| ROW XI 1970 | 5 | 9 | 3 | 292 | 48.66 | 0 | 2 |
| WSC | 4 | 7 | 1 | 182 | 30.33 | 0 | 2 |
| Total | 16 | 26 | 5 | 700 | 33.33 | 0 | 4 |
| Bowling: | Tests + ROW matches | Runs | Wickets | Ave | 5ws | 10ws |
| Test | 7 | 616 | 41 | 15.02 | 3 | 1 |
| ROW XI 1970 | 5 | 359 | 15 | 23.93 | 1 | 0 |
| WSC | 4 | 225 | 14 | 16.07 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 16 | 1200 | 70 | 17.14 | 4 | 1 |
Victor Ian
International Coach
Man, i love proctor.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
I've done this for Pollock before too and I get the same number of matches, runs and centuries, but an average of 54.30. You've counted one more dismissal than I have.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Yes, you're correct. (I can't edit that post now)
Graeme Pollock:
| Batting: | Tests + ROW matches | Innings | Runs | Average | 100s | 50s | |
| Tests | 23 | 41 | 4 | 2256 | 60.97 | 7 | 11 |
| for ROW XI 1970 | 5 | 8 | 0 | 250 | 31.25 | 1 | 1 |
| for ROW XI 1971 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 209 | 41.80 | 1 | 0 |
| Total | 31 | 54 | 4 | 2715 | 54.30 | 9 | 12 |
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Another match I think could/should be granted retrospective test status is England v Dominions in 1945.
Mostly because our NZ war-interrupted what-might-have-been Martin Donnelly got another 'test' century.
Basically England v ROW XI. But selection/availability of the Dominions team may have been inhibited by who happened to be in Europe at the wind-up of the war.
Mostly because our NZ war-interrupted what-might-have-been Martin Donnelly got another 'test' century.
Basically England v ROW XI. But selection/availability of the Dominions team may have been inhibited by who happened to be in Europe at the wind-up of the war.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
This article is an interesting one, because not only does it collate all the WSC and ROW stats, it also adds a twist by discounting the official Tests played by or against the weakened Australian and West Indian teams who were rolled out when their best cricketers were playing for Packer.
Not gospel of course, and just another way of looking at things, but India really cashed in during those weakened years - Gavaskar, Viswanath and Kapil all take a big hit to their stats on this metric.
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Not gospel of course, and just another way of looking at things, but India really cashed in during those weakened years - Gavaskar, Viswanath and Kapil all take a big hit to their stats on this metric.
What if Packer SuperTests and World XI matches of the 1970s had been official Tests?
Who knows what Test history would look like today if the matches were official.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Anything which elevates that Miller innings is fine by me.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Maybe someone can shed more light on this player and the weird discrepancy, but an interesting example of why we shouldn’t count players without any actual tests as test ATGs based on their non test records and extrapolating essentially a series or two into career records, even if it was against great sides.
First class a whole different ball game too and plenty of examples there.
He had a good series. Why exactly, IDK, but I suspect there is something to be read into the conditions that him and Sobers were topping the wickets count as similar bowlers. I'm also not sure how competitive the games were. I haven't read anything saying they were really competive like WSC or treated as a bit of a joke like the AUS series, no idea.
But there isn't much to be read into his stats from the series. Even if he actually had just this one series and a FC record to back it up (which he doesn't, he was a batting AR), people wouldn't go wild over him. We don't expect a medium pacer to be great at top level. See Philander or Jadeja for examples. Great FC, great starts to their test careers, but everyone was expecting them to start failing even when they had maintained excellent standards over many series based on the type of bowlers they are.
Style aside, people can also tell how good a player is, regardless what their record is. See Duane Olivier. Nobody who watched him bowl in tests thinks he is that good, despite his crazy record.
Tons of people have crazy FC records that go unnoticed. Often, they don't even crack a nod at a test team. Only the best actually get remembered for FC exploits.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
It's also a case of Barlow improving markedly as a bowler as his career went on. He spent much of his "official" Test career as a batsman and occasional bowler, but toward the end became far more prominent all-rounder:
- in Barlow's first 21 Tests, he took just 14 wickets at 55.79
- in his last nine Tests, he took 26 wickets at 22.35
Barlow's ROW series appears to be a continuation of that trajectory.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
This is why Mike Procter is the greatest cricketer in last 50 years.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
And the GOAT run out of a rampaging Smith from square leg, with one stump to aim at. Legend !Jadeja averaged 83 with the bat and 15 with the ball in the BG recently
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
So, which is the best innings ever in world series/super tests? I reckon, Sobers' 254 in Melbourne 1971-72 takes the cake. Majestic innings.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
While not disagreeing with the stats presented in the article, it does not cover several other factors that impact the stats of the players considered here imo. Gavaskar and Vishwanath, for instance did not have the luxury of piling it up against India's pop gun attack of 1980s(Kapil apart). Bedi's and Chandra's stats hardly changed during the Packer era.This article is an interesting one, because not only does it collate all the WSC and ROW stats, it also adds a twist by discounting the official Tests played by or against the weakened Australian and West Indian teams who were rolled out when their best cricketers were playing for Packer.
Not gospel of course, and just another way of looking at things, but India really cashed in during those weakened years - Gavaskar, Viswanath and Kapil all take a big hit to their stats on this metric.
What if Packer SuperTests and World XI matches of the 1970s had been official Tests?
Who knows what Test history would look like today if the matches were official.
Kapil had awesome trips to Australia(1980-81,1985-86,1991-92) and WI(1982-83 and 1988-89) during the non Packer era. And his averages on each of these tours were better than his Packer period average of 26.35.
Also believe Amarnath's record in WI is better than his Packer period record. Haven't looked up though.
Doshi and Yadav were 2 guys who unquestionably benefited from that period.