World Crickets speed demons

[FaaipDeOiad]

Yet it still had Shoaib (it also had Kaneria, who isn't a seamer).
India's was made-up of Khan, Nehra, Pathan and Agarkar - who are every bit as poor as Khalil, Asif, Rana Naved-Ul-Hasan and Sami. But they didn't have a good bowler to precede them.

I'd say Khan and Pathan are clearly better than all of those.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Facing Harbhajan and Kumble on pitches such as those at Bangalore and Nagpur - no, that's not very challenging, because by all accounts they didn't really turn very much.
All right, there's no real surprise anyone failed on the ****hede Stadium pitch, and Clarke did manage to score a 39* on the Chennai turner.
But he's not proven himself as an all-conquering player of the turning ball as some seem to think, no.

Bangalore turned plenty, and Clake was magnificent there. Nagpur was quite seamer-friendly for India, but it still had plenty in it for the spinners compared to most other places in the world.

 

[Choora]

I'd say Khan and Pathan are clearly better than all of those.

Khan is better than Akhtar???

 

[Choora]

It will be sad if Lee doesn't get a place in test side soon, ppl are saying that he's at his best and bowling around 160 kph with accuracy, if its true then its unfortunate that we won't see him in action in Aussie test side .

Man, its so tuff to get a place in Australian side.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Khan is better than Akhtar???

He didn't mention Akhtar, now did he? I said Khan was better than Rana, Khalil, Sami etc.

 

[Choora]

He didn't mention Akhtar, now did he? I said Khan was better than Rana, Khalil, Sami etc.

Oh, then i'm sorry.

Btw, i don't think there are many pacers in the world who are worse than Sami. I just hope Sami himself pull out of Pakistan's squad and admit that he's not capable of doing anything.

 

[Richard]

maybe you only saw the Good Shabbir

If we see evidence that he's as much a split-personality bowler as Chaminda, maybe I did.
But Chaminda is rather unusual, so you'll forgive me for doubting someone is like him until I see some very large evidence in favour.

 

[Richard]

It will be sad if Lee doesn't get a place in test side soon, ppl are saying that he's at his best and bowling around 160 kph with accuracy, if its true then its unfortunate that we won't see him in action in Aussie test side .

Man, its so tuff to get a place in Australian side.

So tough that MacGill has been a regular for the last 6 years; so tough that Nathan Bracken and Brad Williams made the grade; so tough that Andrew Bichel got in several times between 2000\01 and 2003\04.
Yeah, tough thing, this being an Australian bowler.

 

[Richard]

I'd say Khan and Pathan are clearly better than all of those.

I'd say they're a little bit better. Not really significantly better, especially in Khan's case.

 

[Richard]

Bangalore turned plenty, and Clake was magnificent there. Nagpur was quite seamer-friendly for India, but it still had plenty in it for the spinners compared to most other places in the world.

Bangalore turned plenty? Really? Everyone I heard talk about it said it looked awful but played OK; Dean Jones' analogy was "a lamb in wolf's clothing".
Compared to most places in The World Nagpur had plenty in it... does that mean fingerspinners such as Harbhajan were turning it dangerously? Or does it just mean it had a bit more than nothing in it for the fingerspinners (because a standard wicket Worldwide has just that - nothing for fingerspin)?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

does that mean fingerspinners such as Harbhajan were turning it dangerously? Or does it just mean it had a bit more than nothing in it for the fingerspinners (because a standard wicket Worldwide has just that - nothing for fingerspin)?

Harbhajan, as he usually does on Indian pitches, was practically turning it square.

 

[Deja moo]

Harbhajan, as he usually does on Indian pitches, was practically turning it square.

No, he wasnt. Bangalore, you could compare the turn to Adelaide when India last visited. Nagpur was not spin friendly at all.

 

[Ming]

So tough that MacGill has been a regular for the last 6 years; so tough that Nathan Bracken and Brad Williams made the grade; so tough that Andrew Bichel got in several times between 2000\01 and 2003\04.
Yeah, tough thing, this being an Australian bowler.

Tell me a bowling attack in the world, that has had less changes than Australia?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

No, he wasnt. Bangalore, you could compare the turn to Adelaide when India last visited. Nagpur was not spin friendly at all.

Bangalore might have been a bit like Adelaide the last time India visited on the 4th and 5th days... by Australian standards it was a raging turner. Nagpur wasn't spin friendly no, it was still more turn than you would get on a green Australian wicket however.

 

[aussie]

aussie

Nagpur wasn't spin friendly no, it was still more turn than you would get on a green Australian wicket however.[/QUOTE]

yeah thats true

 

[tooextracool]

really wonder how long it will take for people to realise that wickets that there can be slow turners, which means that a good spinner is more than capable of getting wickets on those pitches, while good batsmen would be more than capable of scoring against the turn. raging turners dont happen that often.

 

[Richard]

Bangalore might have been a bit like Adelaide the last time India visited on the 4th and 5th days... by Australian standards it was a raging turner. Nagpur wasn't spin friendly no, it was still more turn than you would get on a green Australian wicket however.

But just because it had a bit more turn than an Australian surface doesn't mean it had enough to make a fingerspinner dangerous.

 

[Richard]

Tell me a bowling attack in the world, that has had less changes than Australia?

Er - what?
Has that got to do with anything?

 

[Richard]

Harbhajan, as he usually does on Indian pitches, was practically turning it square.

Harbhajan most certainly does not turn it square just because the pitch is in India.
Pitches do not magically offer amounts of turn because they're in a certain country; you get flat pitches in India and you get turners elsewhere. I've seen Harbhajan be totally innocuous in India several times and also bowl well elsewhere.

 

[Top_Cat]

So tough that MacGill has been a regular for the last 6 years

Only when Warnie was injured. They played very few Tests together so unless you mean by regular, 'regularly in and out of the side', well that's not quite correct. And MacGill is generally a world-class bowler. He's not in Warnie's class but MacGill's right behind him and Kumble.

so tough that Nathan Bracken and Brad Williams made the grade

Only due to injury. Even then, Williams was bowling well enough to command a spot ahead of most other quicks in the country. As for Bracken, well if you can't say something nice............

Come on, man; these were extenuating circumstances. ALl things being equal and zero injuries, they wouldn't have made it anywhere near the side. But they were still bowling well enough domestically to warrant a place next in line (except Bracken..........).

so tough that Andrew Bichel got in several times between 2000\01 and 2003\04.

And again, deserved his spot and did his job (although Kasper may have had stronger claims). Bichel was one of the best bowlers in Australia for those periods so his selection was entirely justifiable. And even then he had to work very hard to keep his place because as soon as he showed any signs of a form dip, Lee got the nod.