why was i banned?

[SteveNZ]

More and more I find that I don't need to post as SteveNZ has already articulated my thoughts in a much more mature, friendly and succinct manner. I think I owe you a pint or two.

Hahaha, I think I owe you a pint or two for the compliments. Plus being named after the great Raven

 

[cnerd123]

I thought the comment on Warne's passing was worthy of a ban in of itself

The creeping on women -lesbian or otherwise- is a problem as well.

 

[Burgey]

Oh yeah, you love a pile on now, but mention some **** chucked it and all of a sudden it’s a crime against humanity

 

[fredfertang]

it does to me. i was banned for a month ! and i didnt even mention lesbian cricketers or refer to them in any way.
it was entirely spiteful and i discovered that there arent any other cricket forums so i couldnt share my thoughts on ben stokes or steve smith or whoever,
it was a frustrating month. ( i was quite lonely)

Ok

I didn’t see the offending post(s) so can’t really say anything on that but fair play to you for that response

 

[Coronis]

it does to me. i was banned for a month ! and i didnt even mention lesbian cricketers or refer to them in any way.
it was entirely spiteful and i discovered that there arent any other cricket forums so i couldnt share my thoughts on ben stokes or steve smith or whoever,
it was a frustrating month. ( i was quite lonely)

There’s always PakPassion

 

[honestbharani]

Don't try to confuse me with made up words

 

[honestbharani]

it’s a crime against humanity

your posts are a crime against humanity.......



and your face.

 

[RootingforEngland]

I realise that this is until now a light hearted thread, started by a poster who was given a temporary ban and is therefore presumably posting legitimately.

However, whilst I have little doubt that this post is only going to be met with negative responses, and result in the imminent banning of this account, I am writing to inform that it's this thread which has prompted me to join the site, and to inform the reason as to why (which is set out below).

I was previously a member of this forum, having prior to that been a long term occasional reader. I don't know when it was that I was a member, other than that it must have been sometime since the summer of 2020 (so I would guess some time last year). I don't know how long I was a member for, but I don't think it was very long. I've no idea what my username was.

I also have no idea how the conversation came about or what thread it was on, but for some reason I mentioned a British war memorial which I'd visited by chance on an island in Greece. My firm recollection, is that I was told by another poster or posters, that the dead soldiers I was referring to were racists, and that when I pointed out in response that the soldiers gave their LIVES as young men mostly in their late teens and early 20s in order to defend the UK, Europe ad beyond from the Nazis, I was labelled by the same posters as some kind of far right activist, apparently on the basis that it goes without saying that British soldiers are racists, and so must be anyone who makes a contrary assertion.

I was banned from the site and was left unable to even read the forum for several months (something else I don't know is what changed after that but something did as I've been reading again occasionally for some time now).

I seem to remember writing to the moderators after the ban to explain how utterly ridiculous the reaction to my posts was, and also how disgusted I was (I felt quite strongly about it at the time, as the war memorial visit had been quite an emotional experience) at the attitude shown to the members of the armed forces who had given their lives for our future. I can't find the email and my recollection is that I didn't receive any response.

Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest, even if I don't get to see any replies. Nothing that I said was racist, I am not racist, and nor to the best of anyone's knowledge were the young men who gave their lives for your freedom.

Thanks.

 

[NZTailender]

I realise that this is until now a light hearted thread, started by a poster who was given a temporary ban and is therefore presumably posting legitimately.

However, whilst I have little doubt that this post is only going to be met with negative responses, and result in the imminent banning of this account, I am writing to inform that it's this thread which has prompted me to join the site, and to inform the reason as to why (which is set out below).

I was previously a member of this forum, having prior to that been a long term occasional reader. I don't know when it was that I was a member, other than that it must have been sometime since the summer of 2020 (so I would guess some time last year). I don't know how long I was a member for, but I don't think it was very long. I've no idea what my username was.

I also have no idea how the conversation came about or what thread it was on, but for some reason I mentioned a British war memorial which I'd visited by chance on an island in Greece. My firm recollection, is that I was told by another poster or posters, that the dead soldiers I was referring to were racists, and that when I pointed out in response that the soldiers gave their LIVES as young men mostly in their late teens and early 20s in order to defend the UK, Europe ad beyond from the Nazis, I was labelled by the same posters as some kind of far right activist, apparently on the basis that it goes without saying that British soldiers are racists, and so must be anyone who makes a contrary assertion.

I was banned from the site and was left unable to even read the forum for several months (something else I don't know is what changed after that but something did as I've been reading again occasionally for some time now).

I seem to remember writing to the moderators after the ban to explain how utterly ridiculous the reaction to my posts was, and also how disgusted I was (I felt quite strongly about it at the time, as the war memorial visit had been quite an emotional experience) at the attitude shown to the members of the armed forces who had given their lives for our future. I can't find the email and my recollection is that I didn't receive any response.

Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest, even if I don't get to see any replies. Nothing that I said was racist, I am not racist, and nor to the best of anyone's knowledge were the young men who gave their lives for your freedom.

Thanks.

You conveniently left out the parts where you defended genocide and denied literal history, but sure, go off

 

[RootingforEngland]

You conveniently left out the parts where you defended genocide and denied literal history, but sure, go off

I don't understand the reference to defending genocide, but at best it can only be some kind of misunderstanding. Genocide of who(m)?

"defended genocide"?????????? wtfffff?????

 

[NZTailender]

Is there a sensible argument that it would have been unrealistic to expect humanity to have left the vast part of a large proportion of the most inhabitable land on earth empty, because a few million people who were dotted around the continent got there first ? Bear in mind in 1500, even using recently revised upwards estimates, there were more people in Europe (excluding Russia and the Ottoman Empire) than the were in the whole of the Americas (probably 20 times bigger).

Is it realistic at all to imagine a world today where the whole of the Americas is populated solely by Native Americans ?

Interesting, and you clearly know vastly more about it than I do.

To play devil's advocate though, is that really how we judge history ? By deciding which side thought themselves the more morally superior than the other ? Is there anything to suggest in this case that the native Americans regarded the Europeans as their moral equals ? Is it ever the case in warfare that the sides view one another as moral equals ? And don't we still judge cultures today based on our own understanding of moral superiority ? Would we be judgement free today of the role of women in some native cultures ?

And you talk about competition, but presumably it's unrealistic to think that when native tribes encountered European settlers they came down and said 'hi nice to meet you. nice spot here. don't forget we've got the better views and a comfy cooling breeze on our patch though . anyway, we're just up the hill if you need us'.

Anyway I did see a book about this last time I was browsing in Waterstones so maybe I'll pick a copy up sometime. One of the many things I could probably benefit from being a bit more informed about.

So everyone in human history should have just stayed put in the spot they were born ? 'OK, this is my bit. Noted.'

Are there any cultures in human history that respected such a proposition ? If not, on what basis do we think 'we' are right, and they who were there at the time were all wrong ?

And wouldn't such isolationism have made for a more boring world today ?

I've forgotten tbh.

I think it was mainly that we're too quick to be judgemental, particularly of people whose lives took place in a world which was completely different to our own.

I've not expressed a view. It's a perfectly harmless comment imo.

For avoidance of doubt btw, I'm not this Watson chap, and I'm not quite sure why it's been suggested tbh (I've read that he was a "white nationalist", which is not a category I would put myself in by any stretch of the imagination).

Total nonsense.

Furthermore, the prevalence of this point of view is a betrayal to the thousands upon thousands of good and brave souls who died fighting for our own Empire and for us.

There's a gravestone in a cemetary in a little island in Greece which reads, "Tell the Empire, all ye who pass this way, that those of us who died fighting for her, rest content".

There's far too many today who would do well to remember it.

I'd rather be banned from here than ever accept your revisionist version of history that's for sure.

What is ? That the British Empire brought law and order and ended the slave trade ? With all your historical knowledge you describe these facts as "dark ****" ???? Coming from you as someone who knows so much it's worse than coming from the rest of these fools combined.

Icing in the cake was your response to this post:

Aboriginal Australians have been on the continent for over 30,000 years

With:

noone's going to fall for that.

You deliberately posted in a political thread with **** takes on history and wonder why you got banned. For someone who was happy to be banned from here, you seem to want to come back and make a point about it. Jog on.

 

[RootingforEngland]

Icing in the cake was your response to this post:


With:


You deliberately posted in a political thread with **** takes on history and wonder why you got banned. For someone who was happy to be banned from here, you seem to want to come back and make a point about it. Jog on.

Yeah that is the account. And although I'd totally forgotten about having this conversation (which I think I'm right in thinking is a completely different one to the one I mentioned?) it does vaguely ring a bell.

I've only quickly scanned the comments you've quoted, but can't see anything that jumps out as....like, even offensive/controversial? let alone defending genocide (and "denying history" if that's prohibited).

But you're saying that I was banned for defending genocide of Australian aboriginals????

Well, that's news to me, and I would never have guessed that in a month of Sundays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah that is the account. And although I'd totally forgotten about having this conversation (which I think I'm right in thinking is a completely different one to the one I mentioned?) it does vaguely ring a bell.

I've only quickly scanned the comments you've quoted, but can't see anything that jumps out as....like, even offensive/controversial? let alone defending genocide (and "denying history" if that's prohibited).

But you're saying that I was banned for defending genocide of Australian aboriginals????

Well, that's news to me, and I would never have guessed that in a month of Sundays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one will believe you, you're a typical "just asking questions!!??!!" poster who wants to insert their insidious world views into actual good faith conversations.

And if it wasn't for the fact you brought it up in this thread no one would even remember you. I had to use the search function and the term "Greece" to even figure what the hell you're talking about.

 

[RootingforEngland]

No one will believe you, you're a typical "just asking questions!!??!!" poster who wants to insert their insidious world views into actual good faith conversations.

And if it wasn't for the fact you brought it up in this thread no one would even remember you. I had to use the search function and the term "Greece" to even figure what the hell you're talking about.

The only recollection I have of being a participant on here apart from the discussion that I mentioned (and now of having had utterly absurd and bewildering exchanges such as this one), is of having had an argument about something cricket related with an australian poster with a smiling face as his avatar. I had no expectation at all of anyone remembering me.

Noone will believe me what??? That I'm not actually an habitual condoner of the genocide of aborigines?? This is so incredibly bizarre it's actually quite funny hahaha.

 

[Line and Length]

Sadly, many people who bring up past events in the context in which they were taught while at school, are now regarded as having racist views for expressing their beliefs.
Looking at my own education in the post WWII decade, much of which I learned would be frowned upon if expressed on this forum.
As a teacher, I questioned both the content and the methodology used in my education and changed my views and practices as an educator accordingly. However, I also recognise that much about education is like a pendulum - swinging from one extreme to another. This is reflected in societal values - particularly political views.
What is needed is tolerance of others and an understanding of the educational background experienced by others. Terms such as "racist" being bandied about when cultural views and educational backgrounds clash do little to promote tolerance.

 

[Coronis]

Well, this thread took a turn..

 

[Athlai]

An ex member coming in to say they're not racist and then when immediately remembered and quoted back with their own posts, saying they have no memory of the posts is pretty funny tbf.

 

[Athlai]

Sadly, many people who bring up past events in the context in which they were taught while at school, are now regarded as having racist views for expressing their beliefs.
Looking at my own education in the post WWII decade, much of which I learned would be frowned upon if expressed on this forum.
As a teacher, I questioned both the content and the methodology used in my education and changed my views and practices as an educator accordingly. However, I also recognise that much about education is like a pendulum - swinging from one extreme to another. This is reflected in societal values - particularly political views.
What is needed is tolerance of others and an understanding of the educational background experienced by others. Terms such as "racist" being bandied about when cultural views and educational backgrounds clash do little to promote tolerance.

I think "tolerance" isn't really the intended cultural goal anymore. Understanding and acceptance are. And any lingering lazy ignorance will be challenged and confronted.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Sadly, many people who bring up past events in the context in which they were taught while at school, are now regarded as having racist views for expressing their beliefs.
Looking at my own education in the post WWII decade, much of which I learned would be frowned upon if expressed on this forum.
As a teacher, I questioned both the content and the methodology used in my education and changed my views and practices as an educator accordingly. However, I also recognise that much about education is like a pendulum - swinging from one extreme to another. This is reflected in societal values - particularly political views.
What is needed is tolerance of others and an understanding of the educational background experienced by others. Terms such as "racist" being bandied about when cultural views and educational backgrounds clash do little to promote tolerance.

But isn't the point of education that it is ongoing? Just because you are (or aren't) taught something at school doesn't mean that has to be your worldview for the rest of your life. The onus is on all of us to challenge what we are taught if evidence comes to light that it was misguided.

 

[davado]

i dont know why that guy said ' noone will believe him' because i do. i believe you mate.
And theres nothing wrong with being racist. Read a bible. We're all brainwashed not to be these days but if you have a scintilla of personal integrity youd realise its natural. Im not silly enough to express racist views but im no more ashamed of being racist than i am of breathing