Why are Indians anti-Ganguly?

[Swervy]

Plenty of Aussies lol like Gilchrist, Langer, Martyn, Lehman, Ponting ?? Are you telling us that Good bowling will not get these Aussie batsmen ??

Good bowling can get these players out of course,but i have seen plenty of times these players battling through good bowling and scoring big...i genuinely cant think of many times when Ganguly has done that..i will stick by the thing that if you bowl well to him early on, you will get him out cheaply

Yeah right - other teams have allowed Gangs to score 4500 runs in test cricket. I think Most of Ponting's runs have been because of the umpires in Australia. In recent series itself he was give at least 8 lives. If Gangs gets those kind of lives he would have scored 10000 runs by now. [/B]

Lets have a look at ganguly vs teams that bang the ball in:

vs Australia ave 34.13
vs pak ave 34.4
vs SA ave 25
vs WI ave 32.07

he has scored well in england where it doesnt pay to pitch the ball short, so he can play forward with confidence against medium fast bowling.

And dont turn this around onto whether ponting has had umpiring decisions go for him or not..i think most people would say the ponting is streets ahead of ganguly

 

[Swervy]

Swervy, you are basically writing off all the OD cricket that is being played. By that token, I can call Bevan a crappy player as he was crap in tests and his OD performances don't mean anything at all. If it is so easy to perform in OD matches then why aren't there too many players with a better record than gangs?

well test cricket did expose Bevans limitations as a test batsman.

I wouldnt call ganguly a crappy batsman, but he has severe limitations technique wise, which good, well aimed bowling will exploit over and over again

 

[Sanz]

..i genuinely cant think of many times when Ganguly has done that..i will stick by the thing that if you bowl well to him early on, you will get him out cheaply

If you haven't seen him doing well then it doesn't mean that he is not good enough, you probably need to watch him play more. I just wonder how did he fared against the likes of Gilly, Martyn,Langer etc in the last series against the likes of Lee, Jason etc.

Lets have a look at ganguly vs teams that bang the ball in:

vs Australia ave 34.13
vs pak ave 34.4
vs SA ave 25
vs WI ave 32.07

he has scored well in england where it doesnt pay to pitch the ball short, so he can play forward with confidence against medium fast bowling.

34.13 isn't a bad average, may not be enough to compare him with the likes of Sachin, Lara (But who is comparing ?) but Good enough to play at the International level.

And dont turn this around onto whether ponting has had umpiring decisions go for him or not..i think most people would say the ponting is streets ahead of ganguly

Okay..but please dont turn around and say that every time Ganguly has batted well it is because the opposition played poorly and not because he played well.

 

[Swervy]

i have seen enough of Ganguly to know that his technique vs short of a length fast or medium bowling is poor..and that is why he has scored only 32 scores over 50 in 120innings

compared to 41 in the same number of innings for Ponting (20 100's)

compared to 25 in 71 innings for Gilchrist
compared to 20 in 62 innings for martyn
compared to 32 in 87 innings for Hayden
compared to 37 in 119 innings for Langer
compared to 45 in 151 innings for Thorpe

and the list could go on.

these guys know how to battle through to get the 50's etc, even when the going gets tough.

ganguly falls too early too often to be considered a major player in test match batting.

As for his captaincy...yep India have done OK recently..nothing too spectacular though, when you consider the talent that India have got...talent wise they are right up there with Australia, but I will guarantee you that with Ganguly as captain, they will not acheive their potential as a test playing team.

 

[Swervy]

34.13 isn't a bad average, may not be enough to compare him with the likes of Sachin, Lara (But who is comparing ?) but Good enough to play at the International level.



Okay..but please dont turn around and say that every time Ganguly has batted well it is because the opposition played poorly and not because he played well.

yep Ganguly's average is OK...surprisingly enough.

I did not say everytime he has had a big score its coz the opposition played poorly, but there is a tendancy for that to happen a lot of the time.

 

[Sanz]

i have seen enough of Ganguly to know that his technique vs short of a length fast or medium bowling is poor..and that is why he has scored only 32 scores over 50 in 120innings

compared to 41 in the same number of innings for Ponting (20 100's)

compared to 25 in 71 innings for Gilchrist
compared to 20 in 62 innings for martyn
compared to 32 in 87 innings for Hayden
compared to 37 in 119 innings for Langer
compared to 45 in 151 innings for Thorpe

and the list could go on.

these guys know how to battle through to get the 50's etc, even when the going gets tough.

Except Gilchrist (who has been exceptional at no. 6)all are top order batsmen who bat from no. 1 thru no. 4 Position whereas Ganguly has batted at no.5-6-7 most of his career.

As for his captaincy...yep India have done OK recently..nothing too spectacular though, when you consider the talent that India have got...talent wise they are right up there with Australia, but I will guarantee you that with Ganguly as captain, they will not acheive their potential as a test playing team.

India have done okay only because we do not have good bowling and not because of Ganguly's captaincy or batting. We will not achieve anything untill we get a decent bowling attack. One man can't really turn the fortunes of a team no matter how good/bad he is.

 

[Swervy]

In tests ganguly has batted at 59 times (out of 120) at 5, 29 times at 6, 17 times at number three,12 times at number 4, twice at number 7 and once opening.

martyn has batted 28 times (out of 63) at number 6,19 times at 4,5 times at 5 and 7 times at number 7

Gilchrist has batted 53 times (out of 71) at number 7...his next most common position is at number 8 (6 times)

I am not quite sure what your point is about the batting positions.

Regarding captaincy.....yes one man can have a big effect on a teams performance...have a look at Mike brearley

 

[Sanz]

In tests ganguly has batted at 59 times (out of 120) at 5, 29 times at 6, 17 times at number three,12 times at number 4, twice at number 7 and once opening.

martyn has batted 28 times (out of 63) at number 6,19 times at 4,5 times at 5 and 7 times at number 7

And martyn has not scored a century in last 2 years, not to forget the fact that he has played 62 % of his matches at home as opposed to Gangus who is at about 43 %.

I have already said Gilly is among the best no.6/7 batsman I have seen play.

Regarding captaincy.....yes one man can have a big effect on a teams performance...have a look at Mike brearley

Well Gangs is not mike Brearly. Since you have already compared him with Mike brearly, I guess only thing left now is to compare Gangs to Bradman.

 

[Swervy]

well whilst we are at it then..Martyn actually averages a bit more away from home than he does at home (48.43 vs 44.32)

 

[marc71178]

Yeah right - other teams have allowed Gangs to score 4500 runs in test cricket. I think Most of Ponting's runs have been because of the umpires in Australia. In recent series itself he was give at least 8 lives. If Gangs gets those kind of lives he would have scored 10000 runs by now.

One of the more baseless comments on the forum...

 

[marc71178]

34.13 isn't a bad average, may not be enough to compare him with the likes of Sachin, Lara (But who is comparing ?) but Good enough to play at the International level.

Depends on which side you're talking about.

If he were West Indian, Australian or South African (or possibly even English or Pakistani) with that as a career average - no thanks.

 

[NikhilN]

Cause doesnt know what being a good captain is...He should be kicked off the team and Dravid should be captain

 

[harry674]

Cause doesnt know what being a good captain is...He should be kicked off the team and Dravid should be captain

Amen...Well Said

make dravid captain of test and yuvraj captain of ODI.

 

[ReallyCrazy]

I think Ganguly is the best guy for the captaincy role for India ATM. For the guys who said that dravid should be made captain, that is biggest pile of **** I heard. Dravid is too nice. He is too soft spoken. He cannot motivate a team.

Ganguly is a great player. He is better than ponting ODIs and I agree ponting is better than him in tests.

 

[harry674]

I think Ganguly is the best guy for the captaincy role for India ATM. For the guys who said that dravid should be made captain, that is biggest pile of **** I heard. Dravid is too nice. He is too soft spoken. He cannot motivate a team.

Ganguly is a great player. He is better than ponting ODIs and I agree ponting is better than him in tests.

probably u meant other way around.
anyway till recently it was waugh who was captain of test.

 

[harry674]

thats why

Date Venue Opponent Runs Scored Result
Feb 8 Sydney Australia 3 Lost- 208 runs
Feb 6 Melbourne Australia 6 Lost - 7 wkts
Feb 1 Perth Australia 1 Lost - 5 wkts
Jan 24 Adelaide Zimbabwe 1 Won - 3 runs
Jan 22 Sydney Australia 1 Lost - 2 wkts


not only that he is useless in fielding, bad runner between wickets.

the only match he played well 88 runs he got himself out with stupid runout. reminds me off mongia who was axed for giving away his wicket and kambli who was axed as he had "weakness against rising ball"

 

[Craig]

Cause doesnt know what being a good captain is...He should be kicked off the team and Dravid should be captain

Axe him on the grounds of what? You dont like him?

 

[V Reddy]

Axe him on the grounds of what? You dont like him?

Yup it seems that way. Also someone has said that Yuvraj,Sehwag,etc,. may not be liking him but can't say it openly. Then you have to question the integrity of them if at all it is the case. They wouldn't have been in the team if it wasn't for Ganguly's insistence. Sehwag was a failure in his first few series and if it was any other captain they would have been gonve by now. It was same case with guys like Yuvraj , H Singh ,etc,. too.

 

[harry674]

Yup it seems that way. Also someone has said that Yuvraj,Sehwag,etc,. may not be liking him but can't say it openly. Then you have to question the integrity of them if at all it is the case. They wouldn't have been in the team if it wasn't for Ganguly's insistence. Sehwag was a failure in his first few series and if it was any other captain they would have been gonve by now. It was same case with guys like Yuvraj , H Singh ,etc,. too.

nobody said that though i do remember someone typing in some team members problably dont like him but stay quiet.which is baseless comment.

his performance is good enuf reason to axe him.

 

[harry674]

bummer doesnt even play well at home

His four-wicket spell in the first innings, which included the dismissal of Ganguly for a fourth-ball duck, and a rapid knock of 57 helped Mumbai seize control of the match.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/3547199.stm