Johan
International Vice-Captain
Sobers averages 58, Smith 55. Sobers averaged 74 for 10 years, Smith for 5 years. Sobers was better outside of his peak. I don't see how we can view Sobers as anything but a strictly better, more destructive Smith.
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Who is the best since Bradman?
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
As big a fan I am of Viv (okay, slightly bigger probs)
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
This is not what Border said. Some places on the net like Reddit have misrepresented him. Best since Bradman = best Australian batter since Bradman.
“He is right up there (Smith). If he is not (number) one, he is two," Border told The Courier Mail. "I probably still rate Ricky Ponting number one but it is a discussion now with Smith and maybe they just pip Greg Chappell"
“As far as Australia’s concerned, we’ve had Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Steve Waugh, those sorts of players. But now Steve (Smith) ranks equally with that group, no problems whatsoever. I’m a huge fan of Tendulkar and Lara, they were phenomenally good cricketers, but Steve is definitely up with that lot, for sure,” Border said.
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sayon basak
International Captain
What fan? You literally rate Gavaskar ahead of Viv.
Steve Smith is still playing, sachin was Averaging 54.05 after 217 innings, then got some absolutely highways ,and increase it to 57+ at some point.
This is not how you compare average.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
I think you'd be better off posting their numbers when involving some of these great bowlers, for example when Sachin and Donald played together, Sachin's average fell from 54 to 32.9
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
when McGrath played, this is what Sachin averaged
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
Hutton can't get great bowlers to just come into existence when he is playing, but whenever he got to face a great one, yeah, he did make runs, heaps of them infact.
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
We're just penalizing someone who had to play tons of games in extremely spicy conditions against strong bowlers because he didn't get to play popular legendary pacers.
DrWolverine
State Captain
It isn’t such a big deal.
Gavaskar played for a weaker team, faced better bowlers and was an opener as well. Even if you take out his best year, he still has a great record.
What made you think Smith is not good?
In this era of green mamba, his average is 3rd best after Williamson and root.
(Min 3k runs).
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Smith is declining, it's possible he averages 53-54 during retirements, unless he gets proper roads and weak bowlers which he won't get, his average won't go higher, also Sachin made tons in South Africa against Steyn and Morkel, which weren't roads.
DrWolverine
State Captain
I am penalising Len Hutton because he did not face great bowlers. I said it in my earlier post that it is my only argument against him.
1st match was a highway for sure.
Pujara type player succeeded in that series, 2010 series is way series way easier compared to last 3 tours of South Africa (ind vs sa )
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Yeah but I don't think it makes much sense when the ones he did face, he absolutely smashed them out the park.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
eh I won't say it, it was a pretty typical 2000s Saffer pitch, bowler friendly but not a batter graveyard either like recent saffer pitches, the 146 at Cape town is a masterpiece tho
DrWolverine
State Captain
I don’t deny he was very good.
sayon basak
International Captain
That post was half serious.
What happened to you? Though why sachin' s effective average droped to 47 ?
Measuring batting averages effectively
A stats analysis to determine effective batting averages in the 2000s by measuring bowling quality faced
www.google.com
sayon basak
International Captain
Yousuf/Chanderpaul/Jayawardene>Sachin.What happened to you? Though why sachin' s effective average droped to 47 ?
Measuring batting averages effectively
A stats analysis to determine effective batting averages in the 2000s by measuring bowling quality faced
Wow
Wow even yousuf/ chandrapaul/jay like players have faced better bowlers than sachin senapatiYousuf/Chanderpaul/Jayawardene>Sachin.
Wow
,I think this is not a reddit post? Isn't it?
Johan
International Vice-Captain
1. He had horrible bowling, so the opposition team made more runsWhat happened to you? Though why sachin' s effective average droped to 47 ?
Measuring batting averages effectively
A stats analysis to determine effective batting averages in the 2000s by measuring bowling quality faced
2. He had a very strong batting lineup, especially against spin, and thus his team made more runs
simple as that really
As a new serious cricket fan, I would like to know why during 90s era,
Involving sachin tendulkar - opposition Bowers of NZ ,sl, eng Averaged -38+,50+?
As per my cricket knowledge, Smith played in highways against pak in 2022 so opposition bowlers averaged 50+ .
So isn't it clear that sachin faced way less though teams in 90s (played 48 against top 4)
Than smudge who is playing around 74 percent against nz,sa, eng,ind.
Involving sachin tendulkar - opposition Bowers of NZ ,sl, eng Averaged -38+,50+?
As per my cricket knowledge, Smith played in highways against pak in 2022 so opposition bowlers averaged 50+ .
So isn't it clear that sachin faced way less though teams in 90s (played 48 against top 4)
Than smudge who is playing around 74 percent against nz,sa, eng,ind.
