Who is the best old ball bowler of all-time?

[subshakerz]

Don’t pretend you’re any better. You have abused him too.

When?

 

[subshakerz]

What was it he told me?

To get over it? Or was it to not be so sensitive?

But he seems only to enjoy giving, I'm just returning the favor.

Dude you're complaining about laugh emojis.

 

[subshakerz]

Just ignore him and move on. Haven’t you learned how he operates?

He did that already. Then he got bored.

 

[kyear2]

Oh my God, are you literally citing a CW poll vote as an authority?

Shall I show you poll votes that go against your opinion then?

So why on earth would you have started the thread in the first place if it didn't mean anything?

 

[subshakerz]

So why on earth would you have started the thread in the first place if it didn't mean anything?

Huh? You start polls so you can switch your opinion based on the results?

Sorry I just like debate.

 

[Coronis]

Huh? You start polls so you can switch your opinion based on the results?

Sorry I just like debate.

 

[kyear2]

I mean, I do understand the point, but I’ll take Hadlee at first change over Wagner any day.

Becuse at the end of the day, even at first change you're still getting good use of the new ball initially as well and Hadlee was just better.

 

[kyear2]

He was a seam and outswing bowler but primarily a new ball specialist.

I actually think Ambrose would be a good 1st change pacer.

Don't you think that Hadlee bowled plenty with the older ball though? All bowlers have.

And he's still come out with a better average than most.

 

[kyear2]

Another rant.

Your attention span couldn't be maintained that long?

It was a detailed response on why your position is basically nonsense.

 

[kyear2]

Um ok sure

You literally did.

If I'm lying kindly point it out.

 

[kyear2]

Kyear is losing his mind.

I think he should put me on ignore again for his sanity.

Nah, I'm enjoying this.

 

[kyear2]

I have no idea tbh.

You reversed your position within the course of a couple sentences.

Your initial statement was, the gap between the top 10 or so specialists was so small, that one can easily just choose an Imran or Kallis based on their secondary skills.

Then in a conversation with Subz you agreed with him, that there's no need for a Kallis with Hammond around and you too would go with the better batting because there's more value there.

It was pretty straight forward.

 

[subshakerz]

Nah, I'm enjoying this.

I don't think you are coming across as you intend to.

Don't you think that Hadlee bowled plenty with the older ball though? All bowlers have.

And he's still come out with a better average than most.

Yes but the question is if his game is ideally suited to not having the new ball. It isn't.

Your attention span couldn't be maintained that long?

It was a detailed response on why your position is basically nonsense.

Yes I replied.

 

[subshakerz]

Then in a conversation with Subz you agreed with him, that there's no need for a Kallis with Hammond around and you too would go with the better batting because there's more value there.

Let him agree with me. Why do you feel so threatened?

 

[kyear2]

OMG I laughed at your post? How will you recover?

Yes the bowling gap between Imran and Hadlee is closer to me and batting is farther. Why can't you accept that?


When did I say clear and easy? Maybe I forgot but I don't think I said that and you tend to make stuff up. I used to rate Wasim ahead.


Yeah I asked if you will use his batting in that phase but not his bowling. Then you shut up.


Typical complaints and minimizing of Imran's achievements. Utterly desperate.

I challenged you to show me how series by series he underperformed. You didn't reply.

Really?

Hadlee is in the conversation for the greatest ever. He may be 3rd, but he's in the conversation. Imran makes up the lower end of the top 10, and was most effective when he had favorable conditions at home. There's no comparison between the two away from home, none.
While in batting there was a difference in rpi of 4 between the two.
How is that beneficial when they're playing in Australia, and one's striking in the 60's and averaging 27.

Facts are minimizing achievements?

Please point out a single statement in that entire paragraph that wasn't true.

When he was at home tampering and getting favorable umpiring calls, he was dominant. When he wasn't at home, and in the era where you said he was disadvantaged by having the toughest conditions mind you, he was below ATG standards.

Using your specified time line, there's literally only one non minnow he even averaged under 24 against, England, and even there the strike rate was below par. Lack of penetration perhaps? Or does that only qualify for some?

So if my minimizing his accomplishments you mean at home, I suggest you do a deep dive into reports from that '82 series. Players comments, articles etc.

But you're already aware, because in your own words you once told me that Imran introduced the neutral umpires to being legitimacy to their home results. But you'll probably pretend you didn't recall that either.

And of course it was a coincidence that Javed wasn't dismissed lbw for the first 9 years of his career at home.

I also said that what separates guys like Hadlee and Sobers from the rest, is that take away their secondary skills and they are still in the argument for any team or situation.

I said lits of things though, again, which was inaccurate.

 

[kyear2]

silly bullshit, this is why Barnes and Hutton wash your favourites lads.

Lol, if only.

Hutton was special though.

 

[kyear2]

Just ignore him and move on. Haven’t you learned how he operates?

Yeah, but that what he relies on.

He goes after everyone else and it's no problem. Go after his guy and it's petty or diminishing accomplishments.

You mean like how he does for Steyn, Kallis, Ambrose? And all in the service of one player?

And that doesn't include when he goes after Ash, Lara etc etc. But he's not being petty or hating on anyone.

 

[kyear2]

Dude you're complaining about laugh emojis.

Wasn't nearly complaining, I could care less, and His knows I laugh at plenty of yours.

I was explaining to him why I responded, and it wasn't the laugh, if your ridiculous response. The hate is real?

 

[subshakerz]

Really?

Hadlee is in the conversation for the greatest ever. He may be 3rd, but he's in the conversation. Imran makes up the lower end of the top 10, and was most effective when he had favorable conditions at home. There's no comparison between the two away from home, none.
While in batting there was a difference in rpi of 4 between the two.
How is that beneficial when they're playing in Australia, and one's striking in the 60's and averaging 27.

Facts are minimizing achievements?

Please point out a single statement in that entire paragraph that wasn't true.

When he was at home tampering and getting favorable umpiring calls, he was dominant. When he wasn't at home, and in the era where you said he was disadvantaged by having the toughest conditions mind you, he was below ATG standards.

Using your specified time line, there's literally only one non minnow he even averaged under 24 against, England, and even there the strike rate was below par. Lack of penetration perhaps? Or does that only qualify for some?

So if my minimizing his accomplishments you mean at home, I suggest you do a deep dive into reports from that '82 series. Players comments, articles etc.

But you're already aware, because in your own words you once told me that Imran introduced the neutral umpires to being legitimacy to their home results. But you'll probably pretend you didn't recall that either.

And of course it was a coincidence that Javed wasn't dismissed lbw for the first 9 years of his career at home.

I also said that what separates guys like Hadlee and Sobers from the rest, is that take away their secondary skills and they are still in the argument for any team or situation.

I said lits of things though, again, which was inaccurate.

You didn't address accepting my ratings.

You didn't address your false claim that I said Imran was easily ahead in reverse.

You didn't address my challenge to show how he underperformed series by series.

Instead you are just mindlessly repeating yourself. Maybe you should take a break.

 

[subshakerz]

The hate is real?

Yes it is. Now it's more obvious than ever.