Who Is The Best English Batsman of All-Time?

[Richard]

That quote is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance.

No, it's not, it's a simple statement of fact.

 

[Richard]

But that does not give you more insight into him than he or the coaches have.

And you can always tell when someone starts being shown up by the sudden change in font size.

The change of font-size was an attempt to make you realise what you still refuse to see.
The deliveries of the matches give all the insight into how he is bowling in Test-cricket that matter.
I'm not going to stop repeating that, no matter how many times you try to get around it.

 

[Richard]

No, you have not.

You claim you have, but since you are not Flintoff and you are not Troy Cooley, and it appears you haven't even read what Flintoff himself has said about it (or the various people on here with some biomechanical knowledge have said) - then you haven't.

And since you, or Flintoff, or Troy Cooley, seem not to have read the facts and figures - then they haven't.
And it doesn't matter how many times you claim they have, it'll not change the facts of the matter - and they are that Flintoff's figures have taken a turn for the better for reasons other than a change of mentality.

 

[Smudge]

No, it's not, it's a simple statement of fact.

No it's not, it's an opinion, and an arrogant one at that.

 

[Richard]

You made it relevant, kiddo.

How so?

Tell me, do you know anything about the game?

Yes, lots.

Since what virtually all you say is sheer unadulterated codswallop I think not. Marc got it about right, but it's not just the acting like a schoolkid - hell, we all enjoy being one of those from time to time! - but it's the insufferable arrogance you display that I find so totally unacceptable - and I'm not the only one.

You're one of a small minority, I can assure you of that.
What you perceive as arrogance most people simply realise is the speak of one who knows quite a bit and isn't ashamed to.

Who in the name of Sweet Jesus do you think you are, boy, that you consider you know better than the rest of us here AND international cricketers to boot?

Probably because I actually watch the stuff closer than anyone who thinks they know better.
Christ, everyone thinks they know better than someone who disagrees with them - there would be no point having an opinion if you didn't believe it was right!

Dear Lord, this site would be so much better off without your pathetic pratings.

What a shame so few people actually think that, eh?

 

[Richard]

No it's not, it's an opinion, and an arrogant one at that.

It's an opinion based on fact.
If it's an arrogant one, so be it - there are billions of opinions that can be interpreted as arrogant - which doesn't change the fact that they're right.

 

[marc71178]

The change of font-size was an attempt to make you realise what you still refuse to see.
The deliveries of the matches give all the insight into how he is bowling in Test-cricket that matter.
I'm not going to stop repeating that, no matter how many times you try to get around it.

Even though it is quite clearly wrong.

You know nothing about his mindset, what he's been practicing in the nets and what he's aiming to do without being either him, or his coach.

 

[marc71178]

And it doesn't matter how many times you claim they have, it'll not change the facts of the matter - and they are that Flintoff's figures have taken a turn for the better for reasons other than a change of mentality.

No, that is not a fact at all - as stated by certain people who know things like biomechanics (although no doubt having read a report about it once you think that's enough to know more than they do anyway) - a change isn't immediate.

 

[marc71178]

You're one of a small minority, I can assure you of that.

You really believe that? More and more people have had enough, but like Nero, you keep on fiddling.

What you perceive as arrogance most people simply realise is the speak of one who knows quite a bit and isn't ashamed to.

You forgot to finish the sentence - I'll do it for you:

"...make a progressively bigger fool out of himself by failing to admit he's wrong"

Probably because I actually watch the stuff closer than anyone who thinks they know better.

What about when you've not watched anything yet know more than people who've watched large chunks - how do you explain the "I know better" attitude there?

What a shame so few people actually think that, eh?

Depends on the definition of a few.

 

[Anil]

I can prove quite clearly that I know more about his bowling in Test-match cricket than he does - if indeed he thinks the turnaround happened in the Bridgetown game, and I've done so God-knows-how-many times.

wow!!! there is a God!!! and His name is Richard!!!....and to think i didn't believe that You exist...!!!

 

[BoyBrumby]

Wow.......carnage.......

So........

Still no votes for Peter May or Sir Geoffrey I see!

 

[SJS]

Wow.......carnage.......

So........

Still no votes for Peter May or Sir Geoffrey I see!

Peter May would rank above quite a few on that list.

I think he is one of the least celeberated of England's great batsmen. Wonder why ? Because he voluntarily went out of the game early...because of his inherent low profile personality...?

Great Batsman..by any standard. Good of you to recall BB.

 

[Richard]

Even though it is quite clearly wrong.

You know nothing about his mindset, what he's been practicing in the nets and what he's aiming to do without being either him, or his coach.

Nope - but I do know what he's been bowling in matches, which is all that matters.

 

[Richard]

No, that is not a fact at all - as stated by certain people who know things like biomechanics (although no doubt having read a report about it once you think that's enough to know more than they do anyway) - a change isn't immediate.

So the change which happened after the figures started to improve was the important change?
That comment would be better aimed at a change that happened before a change in figures started.

 

[Richard]

wow!!! there is a God!!! and His name is Richard!!!....and to think i didn't believe that You exist...!!!

And of course it's neccessary to be God to know those sorts of things, isn't it?

 

[Richard]

You really believe that? More and more people have had enough, but like Nero, you keep on fiddling.

So... let's see how many people on the forums dislike or regularly snipe at me, then?

You forgot to finish the sentence

No, it made perfect sense.

What about when you've not watched anything yet know more than people who've watched large chunks - how do you explain the "I know better" attitude there?

Because it's not invariably essential to watch everything of everything.

Depends on the definition of a few.

So... let's see how many people on the forums dislike or regularly snipe at me, then?

 

[SJS]

Okay. So its agreed that Hobbs is the best batsman from England followed by WG and Hammond.

Will someone start a thread for the best Australian batsman. I know the result should be foregone but it would be interesting to see the top three.

A choice list could be Trumper, Bradman, Harvey, Ponsford, Steve Waugh, McCabe, Greg Chappell, etc

 

[Anil]

And of course it's neccessary to be God to know those sorts of things, isn't it?

well....that was an incredibly pompous, arrogant, mr know-all statement....

 

[Richard]

No, it was saying I think I know something about something I know about.
Of course, people who don't understand how much I know about the thing in question, or believe irrelevant matters are of significance, might think so, but there you go - misinformed judgement of character is one of the worst things in this World.

 

[Swervy]

No, it was saying I think I know something about something I know about.
Of course, people who don't understand how much I know about the thing in question, or believe irrelevant matters are of significance, might think so, but there you go - misinformed judgement of character is one of the worst things in this World.

whether you like it or not..you do come over as very arrogant. I put it down to lack of life experience and general immaturity.I hope as you get older you ways of thinking (if you are like this in 'real life') will become more flexible.

For 99% of the people on this forum,your personality is what you say here(Whether you are like this really,or you are assuming some other more unpleasant character here, is irrelvant)..people enjoy what you say really coz most people enjoy someone make a tit out of themselves.