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Who is the best all-rounder in world cricket?

King_Ponting

King_Ponting

International Regular
A propose a question to u aussie going on your logic. Brendon julian has much the same record as watson, apart from his batting which can be attributed to him not playing against such weak sides such as kenya that watson has, yet his career spanded a total of 25 one day matches, watson has had 32 to prove himself 7 more than julian had. Get him out of the Australian team and get someone with talent in there. Sure it was alrite to give him ago but by now 32 matches he should have done something to prove he is worthy to play at this level

Watson has also taken almost 25% of his wickets against bangladesh and kenya. Yeh hes really quality stuff............. 8-) .
 
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FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
King_Ponting said:
alrite aussie mate im not joking.... just have a look at watsons one day record..... Doesnt seem like anything special to me.
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

32 341 77* 31.00 0 1 21 3/27 45.66 0 10 0

Thats pretty crap for someone to be called an allrounder.. Mate even have a look a micheal clarkes one day figures and what do u know they're better than watsons better batting and bowling record

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

49 1500 105* 45.45 2 8 18 5/35 30.94 1 21 0


Clarke is far superior to watson as an allrounder in both forms of the game.
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Sorry, what does Watson's one day record have to do with it? Watson isn't any good in one day cricket even at the domestic level, and never has been. I am and always have been talking about test and first class cricket specifically.

And for heaven's sake, Clarke isn't an all-rounder, and neither was Lehmann. You have to actually bowl regularly to be an all-rounder, not once every few games for 3 or 4 overs before the new ball.
 
King_Ponting

King_Ponting

International Regular
My mistake i thought u were referring to watson as being a good allrounder in one dayers and test matches.ok i'll give watson 5 test matches to prove he's got class. Other than that. Lehmann and clarke have to be allrounders in ODI because they regularily bowl in one day matches usually as the 5th bowler.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
King_Ponting said:
My mistake i thought u were referring to watson as being a good allrounder in one dayers and test matches.ok i'll give watson 5 test matches to prove he's got class. Other than that. Lehmann and clarke have to be allrounders in ODI because they regularily bowl in one day matches usually as the 5th bowler.
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Not Clarke, but Lehmann yes was a handy all-rounder in ODIs. Clarke might be once he is bowling a bit more, but IIRC he only bowled in two or three matches in the VB series recently. He is also a bit expensive just now, but I agree he could well be useful in the future as 5th bowler option.

Regardless, Watson has never been much of an OD player. He's decent with the bat if he bats up the order, but he's not a slogger so batting low in the order is not a good way to use him, and he's not a good OD bowler. The Australian selectors have tried to use him as a bowling all-rounder in the 7/8 positions, which is a terrible position for him. The ideal way to use Watson in ODIs would be batting around 4 or 5 and bowling when needed. The problem is, there is no position for him in the team like this, and the selectors wanted to give him a shot in international cricket because he was a good prospect at domestic level, so they threw him in there. He shouldn't be in the one day team at all as things stand, and James Hopes or possibly even White should be picked ahead of him for that bowling all-rounder's position, but he should be (and is) right in the running for a test spot.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Neil Pickup said:
Lehmann = 15.32 balls per ODI
Clarke = 13.20 balls per ODI
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Lehmann bowled much more regularly later in his career though, when he did fill an all-rounders role similar to someone like Symonds, Jayasuria or Gayle.
 
marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
King_Ponting said:
If lehmann wasnt an allrounder u cant call watson an allrounder either, in ODI's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes you can, as one is picked as a batsman who can fill in a couple of overs and the other is picked because of ability with both the bat AND the ball.
 
King_Ponting

King_Ponting

International Regular
but lehmann and symonds both forfill the same role and are picked for the same thing.... If i remeber correctly in the world cup 2003 a certain commentator made a world 11 and selected lehmann as the allrounder in the team...
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
King_Ponting said:
so is symonds an allrounder then???
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Certainly. He bowls 5.5 overs per match. The usual cut-off for an ODI all-rounder is about 5. There you have the difference between a part-timer (ie a batsman who bowls a bit), and an all-rounder, someone who both bats and bowls regularly.
 
King_Ponting

King_Ponting

International Regular
so in his last test match he bowled a total of 5 overs for the whole test match in a 133 over match????? doesnt seem like an allrounder really looking at that
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
King_Ponting said:
so in his last test match he bowled a total of 5 overs for the whole test match in a 133 over match????? doesnt seem like an allrounder really looking at that
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I'm talking about ODIs... Symonds has only played two tests, and if he ever plays any more I doubt he would bowl that much, because he's not a penetrative enough bowler for test level. He fills in the overs well enough in ODIs however, and bowls more than half his allotment of 10 in each game.
 
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