Which International Team Do You Support?

[masterblaster]

I thought the series was over. No need to be talking about all those issues that were in the past.

 

[DaRick]

Are you referring to the 'his eyes' wrt honestbharni? If so I'm talking about Kumble and I guess as a result the general Indian standpoint there, not HB. But I agree, Kumble shouldn't have said that in public, just like 95% of the actions shouldn't have been taken over the summer. It's all academic now though.

I think we're talking about the same Karthik incident but I don't recall any spitting, just bullish behaviour, is there a video on youtube? Anyways, I don't want to take this thread anymore OT so I'll leave it at that.

No, there isn't - but I agree with this.

First of all, the DK incident happened at Adelaide. So maybe it was because the Indians had decided that enough was enough and decided to play the bad way themselves... And Kumble said what he did at Sydney because there is no way that guys like Clarke were playing in the spirit of the game. Not saying Indians, esp. Dhoni, are any better but at least when the agreement was in place, they didn't claim bump ball catches....

I know that the Dinesh Karthik incident happened in Adelaide. That fact is of no importance, though. As for, the Indians "play[ing] the bad way themselves"...well, it just makes them look like hypocrites, does it not? Kumble, as you must realise, put his team on the moral high ground over us by insinuating that we did not play within the 'spirit of the game'.

I agree that Michael Clarke's catch should've been given not out, but there's no way that you can convince me that he knew that it bounced, if indeed, it did at all (the camera evidence that I saw wasn't conclusive). I agree that Ricky Ponting's catch was grassed...however, he also had to turn his head on impact, so he may not have known about it. If you are right, about Clarke and Ponting deliberatly cheating, then I agree that their actions were completely unacceptable.

And yes, this issue has been discussed to death in other threads. IF you want to continue, I suggest we move these posts to some of the other related threads and continue there.

I regret bringing this up, TBH...I should've known it would've just created needless debate.

wouldn't the spitting been highlighted by the wonderful Aus media ? the fact there wasn't much made out of it suggests to me that some people were seeing things that weren't there.
Kumble was talking about the way Aus were appealing for everything and claiming anything... dropped catches etc. Thats what he meant by not playing within the spirit.

The same 'wonderful' Australian media who advocated Ponting's sacking (Roebuck) and laid the boot into them when they slipped up at Perth (Craddock)? Even then, believing everything the media tells you is foolhardy.

Besides, the Australians, while they appealed too often, weren't the only ones who did so. Plus, the Indians also claimed catches when they shouldn't have. That's the way cricket has always been. I'm not saying it's acceptable, by any means, but Kumble should've known better than to insinuate that we didn't play within the 'spirit of the game' and thus put himself and his team - undeservedly - on the moral high ground. I've already addressed the 'dropped catches' issue with honestbharani.

I thought the series was over. No need to be talking about all those issues that were in the past.

Yeah, I shouldn't have brought this rubbish up. Let's end this debate now and not bring it up again. I'm not going to further it.

 

[honestbharani]

No, there isn't - but I agree with this.



I know that the Dinesh Karthik incident happened in Adelaide. That fact is of no importance, though. As for, the Indians "play[ing] the bad way themselves"...well, it just makes them look like hypocrites, does it not? Kumble, as you must realise, put his team on the moral high ground over us by insinuating that we did not play within the 'spirit of the game'.

I agree that Michael Clarke's catch should've been given not out, but there's no way that you can convince me that he knew that it bounced, if indeed, it did at all (the camera evidence that I saw wasn't conclusive). I agree that Ricky Ponting's catch was grassed...however, he also had to turn his head on impact, so he may not have known about it. If you are right, about Clarke and Ponting deliberatly cheating, then I agree that their actions were completely unacceptable.



I regret bringing this up, TBH...I should've known it would've just created needless debate.



The same 'wonderful' Australian media who advocated Ponting's sacking (Roebuck) and laid the boot into them when they slipped up at Perth (Craddock)? Even then, believing everything the media tells you is foolhardy.

Besides, the Australians, while they appealed too often, weren't the only ones who did so. Plus, the Indians also claimed catches when they shouldn't have. That's the way cricket has always been. I'm not saying it's acceptable, by any means, but Kumble should've known better than to insinuate that we didn't play within the 'spirit of the game' and thus put himself and his team - undeservedly - on the moral high ground. I've already addressed the 'dropped catches' issue with honestbharani.



Yeah, I shouldn't have brought this rubbish up. Let's end this debate now and not bring it up again. I'm not going to further it.

Think some of your points are quite debatable but as you yourself said and others have pointed out, no use in dragging this debate on... Not sure if you are going to change your opinion and I don't think I will either, so we will juz agree to disagree.



BTW, think you are new. Welcome to the forums. Hope you enjoy discussing cricket with us.

 

[Richard]

Would still like the relevant posts to be moved to one of the several threads on the issue if possible TBH. Don't have any problem with it continuing to be discussed, I'm amazed anyone has the energy to, but if they do good luck to 'em.

But much as I want to keep this thread on top, ideally not with posts about said issue.

 

[roseboy64]

India obviously.



#2 used to be the Windies for me, but with the way Lara's send off was handled and the attitude of guys like Marlon Samuels, I am not really interested in them anymore, although I still think Chanderpaul is a legend.

Clarify.....

 

[honestbharani]

Clarify.....

I dunno.. He juz looks as though he doesn't give a damn. I haven't seen any of the Windies player begin sledging and abuse in a match, so was extremely surprised to see Samuels sledge Agarkar (of all people!!!!) after hitting a winning boundary. Then he was there with sunglasses and all for the national anthem. Then there was his reaction after running out Lara..... And juz most of the stuff he says in interviews. I juz get the feeling the guy thinks he is bigger than the game OR he juz doesn't give a damn........

 

[roseboy64]

Nothing to do with passion, caring or commitment IMO. Just how he is. Pretty much a less emotional version of Gayle. He cares about his cricket. Was even asking groundsmen in RSA how the pitches would go.

 

[pasag]

What ever happened with the bookie accusations with Samuels?

 

[Turbinator]

What ever happened with the bookie accusations with Samuels?

It was dealt with behind closed doors.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yeah, Bermuda is a strange case. From what I've heard, cricket is huge there already. However, sad as this may be, it does indeed make the situation a massive waste of time and money, as they simply don't have the population or infrastructure to become a decent team, and efforts to grow the game will be futile. Does anyone know if they've considered becoming part of the West Indies setup? I think it'd be best for all concerned, really.

They aren't actually in the Caribbean tho, are they? Although, I suppose, from a strict geographical viewpoint neither is Guyana.

I'd guess they consider being in the top 16 nations of any sport quite an achievement with a population of about 60,000 people and this sporting identity would be diluted if they threw their lot in with the Windies. Also, more practically, how many of their team would seriously challenge for a spot in the Windies team?

Bermuda has actually produced a test player tho; 10 statto points if anyone can tell me who he is & who he played for?

 

[Richard]

About all I could tell you was that it wasn't David Hemp TBH.

 

[Goughy]

Bermuda has actually produced a test player tho; 10 statto points if anyone can tell me who he is & who he played for?

hmm, thought I knew so I looked it up. Turned out I was wrong and had no idea

As a not fully serious suggestion, why not bunch all the Caribbean/Central American countries that have Associate/Affiliate status or play in Stanford, that are not part of WI, together under a different collective umbrella?

Firstly they would never really make a mark on selction if included in the actuall WI system, secondly it would add some regional flavour and rivalry in the region and thirdly, it would allow small nations to group together and punch above their weight.

So <Insert Name Here> would be made up of players from
Bermuda
Cayman Islands
Bahamas
Turks and Caicos
Suriname
Costa Rica
Belize
etc
and maybe even places like Cuba and Dominican Rep

 

[Magrat Garlick]

They aren't actually in the Caribbean tho, are they? Although, I suppose, from a strict geographical viewpoint neither is Guyana.

I suggested this a year ago. Pickup kindly pointed to the atlas.

Unfortunately some of the text got mauled, but the point remains. Bermuda is closer to Canada than to most of the Caribbean.

 

[TambourineMan]

Bermuda has actually produced a test player tho; 10 statto points if anyone can tell me who he is & who he played for?

Charles Hime who played one Test for South Africa against Lord Hawke's XI in 1895/96

 

[BoyBrumby]

Charles Hime who played one Test for South Africa against Lord Hawke's XI in 1895/96

Yup. Well done. Cricinfo profile.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Then he was there with sunglasses and all for the national anthem.

Why shouldn't sunglasses be worn for the national anthem? Should regular glasses be taken off for it too?

Then there was his reaction after running out Lara.....

Actually he looked like he was trying his best to be cool after that. Looked like he wanted to cry.

 

[honestbharani]

Why shouldn't sunglasses be worn for the national anthem? Should regular glasses be taken off for it too?

Actually he looked like he was trying his best to be cool after that. Looked like he wanted to cry.

didn't you see what Lara said in the press conference later on that day?



And that sunglass thing when they are hoisting your national flag and playing your national anthem does look bad. Regular glasses are worn because it is an aid. Sunglasses are a luxury and people wear it to look "cool" and the opening ceremony of the WC when they are hoisting your flag and playing your anthem is hardly the time to look "cool". Regular glasses are/can be a necessity. Sunglasses are not. And that bothered Lara himself. Not sure exactly where I read, but I think it is was in the Cricinfo magazine when they had an interview with Lara.

 

[chaminda_00]

didn't you see what Lara said in the press conference later on that day?



And that sunglass thing when they are hoisting your national flag and playing your national anthem does look bad. Regular glasses are worn because it is an aid. Sunglasses are a luxury and people wear it to look "cool" and the opening ceremony of the WC when they are hoisting your flag and playing your anthem is hardly the time to look "cool". Regular glasses are/can be a necessity. Sunglasses are not. And that bothered Lara himself. Not sure exactly where I read, but I think it is was in the Cricinfo magazine when they had an interview with Lara.

Maybe the sun was in his eyes, while singing the national anthem?

 

[inbox24]

1. Australia
2. New Zealand
3. West Indies
4. Sri Lanka
5. England
6. South Africa
7. Pakistan
8. India

 

[honestbharani]

Maybe the sun was in his eyes, while singing the national anthem?

lol... I know what I would believe.....