Umm, as the game goes in, people get replaced? At some point Sobers will be I imagine.Bit harsh to exclude grace, innit? He was a global superstar who pretty much invented modern batting and once scored more centuries then the rest of england combined in a summer. Doesn't get much better than that.
Not the first to pioneer it but the first big NBA superstar has a shout (Mikan) - albeit a small one. Bill Russell would be on mine for sure, he and the Celtics changed the game and helped popularise it after the early stagnation - he only started playing 10 years after the league began.Umm, as the game goes in, people get replaced? At some point Sobers will be I imagine.
I don't know who was the first to pioneer basketball, but I know he's not on the Rushmore.. same with football, though Lombardi has a decent shot. In tennis the big 4 are all moderns and 3 played as recently as last year.
I can obviously be wrong, but I think the 4 I named shaped the game we play today, and impacted their times as much as anyone.
Pancho Gonzales definitely worth a shout and for me in the Mt Rushmore alongside Big 3.I’m not so familiar with the older tennis stuff (pre WWII) but Rod Laver as the bridge between the Amateur and Pro eras would be on my Mt Rushmore for sure.
I’m not so familiar with the older tennis stuff (pre WWII) but Rod Laver as the bridge between the Amateur and Pro eras would be on my Mt Rushmore for sure.
René Lacoste could be an option - was one of the 4 musketeers and started an iconic tennis fashion brand.Pancho Gonzales definitely worth a shout and for me in the Mt Rushmore alongside Big 3.
Positively shocked you didn't bring up Anthony Wilding.René Lacoste could be an option - was one of the 4 musketeers and started an iconic tennis fashion brand.
Was tempted. Very interesting man and certainly one of the greatest very early players (pre WW 1).Positively shocked you didn't bring up Anthony Wilding.
Not the first to pioneer it but the first big NBA superstar has a shout (Mikan) - albeit a small one. Bill Russell would be on mine for sure, he and the Celtics changed the game and helped popularise it after the early stagnation - he only started playing 10 years after the league began.
I think its very important to remember and memorialize early greats of the game.
I’m not so familiar with the older tennis stuff (pre WWII) but Rod Laver as the bridge between the Amateur and Pro eras would be on my Mt Rushmore for sure.
This is where we clearly disagree on what Mt. Rushmore is supposed to represent. Obviously I may misunderstand it since I’m on the opposite side of the world.I don't disagree with what you're saying, and yes he was pivotal and a pioneer. It's just
1. My list is about test cricket and who influenced the game as we know it.
2. It's also about the very best at said level
Also, my mount Rushmore for the NBA would be
Jordan, Lebron, Kareem and Magic, if I wanted influence instead of just the for best, I include Bird along with Magic because they saved and elevated the gam
As far as tennis, the big 3 and Sampras, even after that probably Borg before I get to Laver
But I understand and respect your points, I would just see him more as a god father or pioneer rather than one of the four greatest, especially if speaking of test cricket.
Bradman and Sobers as I said are automatic for me, so the ones that you would likely remove are
The quartet and or McWarne
But Warne alone would make it for many and they were the greatest winners.
The quartet, in addition to what I said before, impacted the legacies and perceptions of some of the greatest personalities in the game.
The grovel statement, heads would roll, the '83 post world cup revenge tour.
Imran establishing his legacy as a leader, no one will back away ; Border displaying his toughness, Botham being exposed, some believing that Chappell retired rather than facing up against them. They were Lillee and Thompson scaled up to 11 and it was unceasing, unrelenting and terrifying.
Lloyd and Richards may have got the credit, but it was the fast bowlers that were the driving force, the reason for what was at the time the greatest team ever assembled.
Think everyone just has their own interpretation regardless of location, as we should.This is where we clearly disagree on what Mt. Rushmore is supposed to represent. Obviously I may misunderstand it since I’m on the opposite side of the world.
It belongs to the Indigenous peoplesThis is where we clearly disagree on what Mt. Rushmore is supposed to represent. Obviously I may misunderstand it since I’m on the opposite side of the world.
TrueIt belongs to the Indigenous peoples
China didn’t love cricket back thenThe Mount Rushmore heads were "chosen to represent the nation's birth, growth, development and preservation"
So I'd say WG Grace was birth, Don Bradman for growth, Tony Greig for development (Packer WSC) and Tendulker for preservation (making the world's largest population love cricket)
Indians loved cricket much earlier than the arrival of Tendulkar. His arrival coincided with the rise of the Indian economy and liberalization.The Mount Rushmore heads were "chosen to represent the nation's birth, growth, development and preservation"
So I'd say WG Grace was birth, Don Bradman for growth, Tony Greig for development (Packer WSC) and Tendulker for preservation (making the world's largest population love cricket)
The greatest ever matting bowler? Other candidates might be Barnes (only one tour) and Vogler.Fazal led the way to Imran, the 2 Ws, and the other quicks for which Pakistan is most famous.
Tendulker for preservation (making the world's largest population love cricket)
Need the guy who hit the winning run in Lagaan.Indians loved cricket much earlier than the arrival of Tendulkar. His arrival coincided with the rise of the Indian economy and liberalization.