Furball
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We didn't.
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where would england rank among the great sides of the past?
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Jacknife
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You might want to get your facts straight mate.
wpdavid
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It's certainly confirmed that the depth of the batting is absolutely vital to the team's success. I don't think the top 6 are up there with the best combinations ever, which doesn't mean that it doesn't contain some fine players. However, the guys from 7 to 9 are right up there with the best in those positions, so we don't often get rolled over for silly scores, and often we end up exponentially better than looked likely at the fall of the 5th wicket.
The other thing that has changed over the last 18 months or so is the penetration of the bowling, which nearly always does the business nowadays whereas it was previously OK with occasionally lethal bursts.
Daemon
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It's a good effort by a good line up against **** bowling. (You can see I'm doing my best to downplay Englands batting here)441-6 is a good effort though for a weak batting line up.
flibbertyjibber
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Been one of the most remarkable turnarounds in a test match in the last 10 years since Laxman and Dravid v Australia.
Daemon
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AWTA, unfortunately the scoreboard at a glance doesn't really show the full story. It's only when you look at the fall of wickets that you get an Idea.
Son Of Coco
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The reason it hasn't happened often lately though is because we had a great team...wins in Australia were reasonably common in the 80's, and I reckon they'll become a bit more common in the next couple of years if the team playing us is decent (if they're better than decent then we could get a flogging like England handed out to us recently).
If Hilditch and co don't **** it up completely we might go ok again sometime in the not too distant future.
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Son Of Coco
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Probably not, but that says more about the level those teams are at than how hard it is to win in Australia. If you have a good team then you'll win out here at the moment (or have a good chance)...rewind back to the late 90's/early to mid 2000's and if Australia had a full strength squad it was still difficult even if you had a good team.
It's not the place that's overly difficult to win in, it's the quality of the team that lives there at the time. Home ground advantage won't help you if you dish up inconsistent cricket and the team you're playing is good.
It's not the place that's overly difficult to win in, it's the quality of the team that lives there at the time. Home ground advantage won't help you if you dish up inconsistent cricket and the team you're playing is good.
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grecian
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The one quibble I have in our team is the quality of catching, particularly in the slips. If we'd just caught decently, we could ave won both matches even easier
Still, nice to have something to improve on.
The depth in pace bowling is something that I've never seen as an England fan, not even remotely. The batting unit keeps on coming up trumps to. When some don't perform the others stand up, the sign of a very good line-up.
Still, nice to have something to improve on.
The depth in pace bowling is something that I've never seen as an England fan, not even remotely. The batting unit keeps on coming up trumps to. When some don't perform the others stand up, the sign of a very good line-up.
wpdavid
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The nearest I've seen was the late 1970's: Willis, Botham and Hendrick, with Old and John Lever as alternatives.
flibbertyjibber
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Lets face it we probably have 3 attacks that could go out and do the business against most sides outside the top 3.
Anderson, Broad, Tremlett and Swann
Bresnan, Finn, Onions and Panesar
Shahzad, Woakes, Harris/Dernbach and Rashid/Briggs
I can certainly think of some England sides in the last 20 years with a weaker attack than the last one.
Add in the batting talent coming through with Taylor, Stokes and Bairstow just to name a few and the future looks pretty good. How good they are only time will tell but I can never remember such depth in an England squad, crikey we spent much of the last 20 years continuing to pick failures as there was nobody better.
Anderson, Broad, Tremlett and Swann
Bresnan, Finn, Onions and Panesar
Shahzad, Woakes, Harris/Dernbach and Rashid/Briggs
I can certainly think of some England sides in the last 20 years with a weaker attack than the last one.
Add in the batting talent coming through with Taylor, Stokes and Bairstow just to name a few and the future looks pretty good. How good they are only time will tell but I can never remember such depth in an England squad, crikey we spent much of the last 20 years continuing to pick failures as there was nobody better.
tooextracool
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Wouldnt go that far tbh. Woakes, Finn, Dernbach and Harris are all not yet test class.
