What 3 players would u want exchanged from ur team?

[biased indian]

you dont call averaging 24 with both bat and ball as improvement?
and lets not forget that he was batting against an illegal delivery as well......

he has improved his bowling. but then it doesnt make sense to replace a bowling allrounder with a batsmen.

 

[tooextracool]

then y did u stop with flintoff

u could have got another two allrounders for batsmen

because then you end up as NZ

 

[tooextracool]

he has improved his bowling. but then it doesnt make sense to replace a bowling allrounder with a batsmen.

1) a rise in average of 5 to 24 is not what u call improvement then?
2)he was batting against what was a quality spin attack and against an illegal delivery....playing for india it would mean that he would rarely be posed against any great spin attack(bar SL)
3) what about the other 50% of his career that he would be playing abroad where in the last year he has been averaging 50 with the bat and 28 with the ball?when was that last series win outside the sub continent again?

 

[biased indian]

1) a rise in average of 5 to 24 is not what u call improvement then?
2)he was batting against what was a quality spin attack and against an illegal delivery....playing for india it would mean that he would rarely be posed against any great spin attack(bar SL)
3) what about the other 50% of his career that he would be playing abroad where in the last year he has been averaging 50 with the bat and 28 with the ball?when was that last series win outside the sub continent again?

i taught we were talking about ODI with yuvraj has only played 4 tests

when was the last time england won world cup

 

[Sanz]

Mcgrath for Srinath/Zaheer
Gilchrist for Parthiv Patel
Hayden for Chopra

 

[Raj123]

1) a rise in average of 5 to 24 is not what u call improvement then?

may be, but not good enough to be in indian team

2)he was batting against what was a quality spin attack and against an illegal delivery....

getting a bit desperate here, dont you think.

playing for india it would mean that he would rarely be posed against any great spin attack(bar SL)

any medium pacer can look like hadlee in nz. similarly any spinner can have success in india but they dont coz indians are very good at playing spin. its not the other way round.

 

[tooextracool]

i taught we were talking about ODI with yuvraj has only played 4 tests

when was the last time england won world cup

the relevance of this to the topic is?

 

[Deja moo]

the relevance of this to the topic is?

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Originally posted by Too extra cool......what about the other 50% of his career that he would be playing abroad where in the last year he has been averaging 50 with the bat and 28 with the ball?when was that last series win outside the sub continent again?

 

[tooextracool]

may be, but not good enough to be in indian team.

1) you'd think that after playing a few games in india he would improve and not still average 24
2) what about his average elsewhere or does that not matter to india since they dont seem to be concerned with winning outside the sub continent anymore
3) and the bowling average?flintoff is good enough to make it into the indian side on his bowling alone! his batting average is a plus

getting a bit desperate here, dont you think.

considering the highest english batting average in SL was 36 i dont think so....

any medium pacer can look like hadlee in nz. similarly any spinner can have success in india but they dont coz indians are very good at playing spin. its not the other way round.

dont be ridiculous.....there is a clear difference in quality between someone like kumble and someone like richard dawson or even ashley giles regardless of where they bowl

 

[tooextracool]

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err have you been following the arguement at all? i was implying that india need flintoff because it would help them outside the sub continent and would provide them a balance so that they could go in with 2 spinners if required.
the point of mentioning when england won the last world cup would be?

 

[Deja moo]

err have you been following the arguement at all? i was implying that india need flintoff because it would help them outside the sub continent and would provide them a balance so that they could go in with 2 spinners if required.
the point of mentioning when england won the last world cup would be?

well, it seems you were questioning India's away record, and koch_cha responded by questioning Englands WC record.

Anyway the comparison was between Yuvraj and Flintoff , and since Yuvraj is more of an ODI player till now, it would mean replacing Yuv with Flin in the Odi side. No relevance to away tests.

Just following the rules of the thread

 

[tooextracool]

Anyway the comparison was between Yuvraj and Flintoff , and since Yuvraj is more of an ODI player till now, it would mean replacing Yuv with Flin in the Odi side. No relevance to away tests.

it was until one wise guy decided to bring up flintoff's test record in the sub continent....

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

well, it seems you were questioning India's away record, and koch_cha responded by questioning Englands WC record.

The World Cup is played every 4 years. Away series are played every year.

 

[Nate]

or never if your bangladesh...
great point liam.

 

[Raj123]

1) you'd think that after playing a few games in india he would improve and not still average 24

only if it's that simple.
if that is the case why havent the indians won outside subcontinent in more than a decade.

3) and the bowling average?flintoff is good enough to make it into the indian side on his bowling alone! his batting average is a plus

great! then trade him for a bowler. swap him with nehra

considering the highest english batting average in SL was 36 i dont think so....

this only highlights my first point. some players just cant play on certain surfaces

dont be ridiculous.....there is a clear difference in quality between someone like kumble and someone like richard dawson or even ashley giles regardless of where they bowl

i could give you a long list of mediocre bowlers who had success in nz (including someone like bangar) although they arent of the class hadlees, Mcgraths etc.

 

[Raj123]

it was until one wise guy decided to bring up flintoff's test record in the sub continent....

as opposed to his marvelous avg. of 9 recently in SL.

 

[tooextracool]

only if it's that simple.
if that is the case why havent the indians won outside subcontinent in more than a decade.

because india dont have seaming wickets at home? if flintoff played for india i would assume he would also be playing a bit of domestic cricket which would definetly improve his ability against spin bowling

great! then trade him for a bowler. swap him with nehra.

because nehra has been averaging 50 with the bat over the last year.......

i could give you a long list of mediocre bowlers who had success in nz (including someone like bangar) although they arent of the class hadlees, Mcgraths etc.

theres a difference between " had success" and bowled brilliantly...... you could say that ashley giles "has success" against SL in SL but murali bowler brilliantly and therefore got more wickets. the point is that there is a clear difference in class between a good bowler and a mediocre one in any conditions and i dont think flintoff would have too many problems against someone like giles regardless of the place....

 

[tooextracool]

as opposed to his marvelous avg. of 9 recently in SL.

and the made up average serves what purpose?

 

[Raj123]

and the made up average serves what purpose?

ok. the "recently" part of it isnt quite correct but still proves my point that he ist any better in odi's either.

 

[Raj123]

because india dont have seaming wickets at home? if flintoff played for india i would assume he would also be playing a bit of domestic cricket which would definetly improve his ability against spin bowling

you are speculating. so many indians have played county cricket and it barely makes any difference. the bottom line is flintoff hasnt proved himself in subcontinent

i dont think flintoff would have too many problems against someone like giles regardless of the place....

and you know this how?