Xuhaib
International Coach
played half fit during the 99 series where lara tore him apart that must have effected his stats.
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West Indies vs Australia
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Yes. He only played two series there and his one bad series is the one you mention.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n=4;template=results;type=bowling;view=series
Sure; slightly though. Average 26.7, struck at 56.8. Those are all-time-like stats. I guess how you define "great shakes" is up for question but people look at Warne's record against the WIndies and fail to account how that one series affects his record.
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weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Based on how I rate them personally:
West Indies
greenidge (7.5/10)
haynes (6.5/10)
richards (8.5/10)
lloyd (c) (7/10)
kalicharran (6.5/10)
richardson (5/10)
dujon (wk) (6/10)
marshall (9.5/10)
holding (8.5/10)
ambrose (8.5/10)
garner (8.5/10)
Total: 82
Australia:
hayden (7.5/10)
langer (6.5/10)
ponting (8/10)
m.waugh (6.5/10)
hussey (6.5/10)
s.waugh (c) (8.5/10)
gilchrist (wk) (9.5/10)
warne (8.5/10)
lee (5/10)
gillespie (7/10)
mcgrath (9/10)
Total: 82.5
So, if we don't consider the difference between Gilchrist and Dujon (which we should), West Indies could have topped it by some distance.
West Indies
greenidge (7.5/10)
haynes (6.5/10)
richards (8.5/10)
lloyd (c) (7/10)
kalicharran (6.5/10)
richardson (5/10)
dujon (wk) (6/10)
marshall (9.5/10)
holding (8.5/10)
ambrose (8.5/10)
garner (8.5/10)
Total: 82
Australia:
hayden (7.5/10)
langer (6.5/10)
ponting (8/10)
m.waugh (6.5/10)
hussey (6.5/10)
s.waugh (c) (8.5/10)
gilchrist (wk) (9.5/10)
warne (8.5/10)
lee (5/10)
gillespie (7/10)
mcgrath (9/10)
Total: 82.5
So, if we don't consider the difference between Gilchrist and Dujon (which we should), West Indies could have topped it by some distance.
Mike5181
International Captain
I think Lee is more of a 7 to be honest. His strike rate is like 53 which isn't much more/less than most of the other bowlers. His average is 30 but hey it might have been 26/27 if he played in the 80s. I rate Hussey a bit more as well. He's more like a 7.5 not just on skill which i think admittedly he probably doesn't quite measure up to the likes of Ponting/Richards but he has the grit/fighting quality that will get your team out of a tough spot. Justin Langer has that same quality as well. Although i don't rate him quite as high.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Should I rate Haynes slightly above Langer? Yes, probably you are right there.
Personally I don't rate Richardson highly from what I have seen of him, though I admit that I haven't seen his best years live. But his prime period was too short, and the later part of his career (what I have seen live) was too long - so we can't judge him on his prime alone. And personally, I don't rate his captaincy at all.
smash84
The Tiger King
Actually Windian decline had started when Richie Richardson had taken over and the decline didn't feel so steep until he was in charge. It was a nose dive after he left. He was a more than decent captain tbh
archie mac
International Coach
Not that I agree with all the ratings, although they are not bad. I am surprised by Gilly, his keeping was not in the class of Healey for instance and although his batting was first class he should be judged on both combined imo
So maybe keeping out of 5 and batting out of 5. He was not a 5 star batsman or a 5 star keeper. Perhaps a score of 8.5 or 9 would be fairer imo
So maybe keeping out of 5 and batting out of 5. He was not a 5 star batsman or a 5 star keeper. Perhaps a score of 8.5 or 9 would be fairer imo
smash84
The Tiger King
Your take on Richie Richardson and his captaincy?Not that I agree with all the ratings, although they are not bad. I am surprised by Gilly, his keeping was not in the class of Healey for instance and although his batting was first class he should be judged on both combined imo
So maybe keeping out of 5 and batting out of 5. He was not a 5 star batsman or a 5 star keeper. Perhaps a score of 8.5 or 9 would be fairer imo
archie mac
International Coach
I thought him a good captain, considering the great team was just starting to go over the edge. He wore his heart on his sleeve and made some comments at press conferences that did his reputation no favours. But on the field I would think him somewhere between Ponting and Waugh
smash84
The Tiger King
Wow that is a pretty decent rating to be putting him between Ponting and Waugh. Safe to say that he was no DArren Sammy.I thought him a good captain, considering the great team was just starting to go over the edge. He wore his heart on his sleeve and made some comments at press conferences that did his reputation no favours. But on the field I would think him somewhere between Ponting and Waugh
What comments are you referring to?
archie mac
International Coach
He lost a series against Aust. and said it was the worst Aussie team in his time. This was said with some venom. Also had a go at Steve Waugh, although I can't remember the exact comments now, perhaps someone can remind us
social
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That's a very romantic view of things but simply not true
I loved watching the great WI teams play but they were as cynical as any teams in history
Sledging, slowing over rates to a crawl whenever things werent going their way, intimidatory bowling - they did the lot and more
To put things into perspective, the Oz team of the 2000s was well behaved in comparison
smash84
The Tiger King
haha.......itstl
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
My methodology was different. I gave 9.5 to those who would be walking into my all-time XI. So, 9.5 for Marshall and Gilchrist (of course, 10 on 10 should be reserved for the likes of Bradman and perhaps Sobers). Then I gave 9 to those who would be strong contenders for my all-time XI. So, 9 for McGrath....and so on...roughly 5 would mean effective, 7.5 would mean highly effective, and 8.5 and above would mean outstanding...Not that I agree with all the ratings, although they are not bad. I am surprised by Gilly, his keeping was not in the class of Healey for instance and although his batting was first class he should be judged on both combined imo
So maybe keeping out of 5 and batting out of 5. He was not a 5 star batsman or a 5 star keeper. Perhaps a score of 8.5 or 9 would be fairer imo
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weldone
Hall of Fame Member
I personally felt that Richardson's captaincy was a lot like Ponting's (except of course, the success Ponting has had as a captain, for obvious reasons). Richardson's captaincy was full of arrogance without not much to back that arrogance (except Lara's batting and Ambrose-Walsh' bowling, of course). And he would play the ideal cry-baby when things didn't go right. I agree when you say that he definitely wore his heart on his sleeve, but he never gave the impression of having a mature head over his shoulders. Of course, he wasn't a joker like Darren Sammy, buthe definitely wasn't as good as Viv.I thought him a good captain, considering the great team was just starting to go over the edge. He wore his heart on his sleeve and made some comments at press conferences that did his reputation no favours. But on the field I would think him somewhere between Ponting and Waugh
