Wastemen etc

[SillyCowCorner1]

They are not supposed to kill any living creatures at all, as far as possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism

Seems too extreme to be too pure.
What about the dust mites on their beds?

 

[vcs]

Well, no one can be perfect. But them's the rules and they've got to do their best, I suppose.

 

[ankitj]

Nutcases who feel bad about eating germs when they eat food. And they also feel bad about stepping on beetles and ****. I don't know.

"Groups of ascetics are often seen walking along roads, sweeping the ground before them with a soft cotton brush to make sure they do not step on insects."

Seems too extreme to be too pure.
What about the dust mites on their beds?

"They sleep on bare concrete floors, spend long hours in meditation and read religious texts."

Jain Ascetics Give It All Up for Their Faith - latimes

 

[Kirkut]

"Groups of ascetics are often seen walking along roads, sweeping the ground before them with a soft cotton brush to make sure they do not step on insects."

"They sleep on bare concrete floors, spend long hours in meditation and read religious texts."

Jain Ascetics Give It All Up for Their Faith - latimes

Are you a Rajasthani/Gujarati Jain? Or a Jain from North India?

The Rajasthani Jain food is amazing.

 

[vcs]

You can put all the restrictions you want... but Indians will find a way to make their food taste amazing.

Maybe the Jains just did it to give themselves a challenge, like a mathematician trying to prove theorems using a very limited set of axioms.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

This thread is heading towards transcendental bliss

 

[Burgey]

Transcendental bliss was the chicken korma Mrs Burgey made last night tbh.

 

[Adders]

I wonder if Yusuf Pathan likes Chicken Korma.....

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I wonder if Yusuf Pathan likes Chicken Korma.....

Yusuf Pathan looks like Chicken Korma

 

[Burgey]

Just like your posts.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Just like your posts.

Thumbs up

 

[Daemon]

Jains can't eat parts of the plant that would kill it while harvesting iirc. So no underground roots/stems like carrots, garlic, potato, onions etc. It's crazy.

Little do they know that for almost every single grain/vegetable the entire plant is killed anyways.

 

[vcs]

I'm sure they do know it. But I don't get this argument. If you are looking for logic and consistency in religion, then it all breaks down anyway. Why let the perfect become the enemy of the good? This was the same argument that the UDRS/VAR opponents put forward when the technology was introduced "Well, it's not going to do a better job than the umpire in this marginal case, so why use it at all"

 

[Burgey]

If you're looking to religion for logic and consistency, you're probably looking in the place. No matter which religion it is, they all have their inconsistencies. Same with most if not all secular philosophies I suppose.

Unlike the leftover chicken korma which I had for lunch today, which was consistently ****ing awesome.

 

[karan316]

Jains can't eat parts of the plant that would kill it while harvesting iirc. So no underground roots/stems like carrots, garlic, potato, onions etc. It's crazy.

Little do they know that for almost every single grain/vegetable the entire plant is killed anyways.

Food is one thing, I know monks who wouldn't use medicines that are tested on animals, even if they have no option but to take those meds to treat a certain health condition(I am sure there is a movie on this topic). On one end I feel its extreme, on the other end its great to see a group of people who truly believe in peace. Animal abuse is a misunderstood topic, people think the butchers just cut the throats of the animals, they are in pain for a few minutes and then its done. But the amount of torture that they have to go through even before they are killed is something no one takes into account.

 

[cnerd123]

I'm sure they do know it. But I don't get this argument. If you are looking for logic and consistency in religion, then it all breaks down anyway. Why let the perfect become the enemy of the good? This was the same argument that the UDRS/VAR opponents put forward when the technology was introduced "Well, it's not going to do a better job than the umpire in this marginal case, so why use it at all"

There are other flaws with Jainism tho. Basically there is a flaw with the basic presumptions they make.

'Killing is Bad' - well no, sometimes you need to harvest and hunt to maintain a balanced eco system, its sometimes beneficial to kill in the bigger picture

'Humans should have minimal influence on the Earth' - It's hypocritical - the belief that we must be held to some superior morale standard over every other living creature is built entirely on our ability to influence the Earth. If we weren't capable of this great ability to change the planet, we wouldn't be assuming ourselves as the natural caretakers of it. To then state that we should not do the thing we are so great at doing is akin to asking birds not to fly or fish not to swim. It's dumb. We absolutely should influence the Earth, we should just be better when we do it.

'All living things are made equal and all have a soul, we must kill as little as we can' - Do you really think you're being kind to the poor carrot plants soul by not eating it? That it's got this amazing life that you are cutting short? Wouldn't it be kinder to just kill it and let it's soul pass on to a new, far better existence? Besides, everyone dies. May as well send these plants and animals packing once they're coming to the end of the lifecycle and use their carcasses to nourish those who still live.

 

[cnerd123]

If you're looking to religion for logic and consistency, you're probably looking in the place. No matter which religion it is, they all have their inconsistencies. .

Your face is full of inconsistencies

 

[Burgey]

Just like your posts.

 

[vcs]

There are other flaws with Jainism tho. Basically there is a flaw with the basic presumptions they make.

'Killing is Bad' - well no, sometimes you need to harvest and hunt to maintain a balanced eco system, its sometimes beneficial to kill in the bigger picture

'Humans should have minimal influence on the Earth' - It's hypocritical - the belief that we must be held to some superior morale standard over every other living creature is built entirely on our ability to influence the Earth. If we weren't capable of this great ability to change the planet, we wouldn't be assuming ourselves as the natural caretakers of it. To then state that we should not do the thing we are so great at doing is akin to asking birds not to fly or fish not to swim. It's dumb. We absolutely should influence the Earth, we should just be better when we do it.

'All living things are made equal and all have a soul, we must kill as little as we can' - Do you really think you're being kind to the poor carrot plants soul by not eating it? That it's got this amazing life that you are cutting short? Wouldn't it be kinder to just kill it and let it's soul pass on to a new, far better existence? Besides, everyone dies. May as well send these plants and animals packing once they're coming to the end of the lifecycle and use their carcasses to nourish those who still live.

Yeah well, I don't disagree with any of that, I'm an atheist, and don't look at vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism as a moral issue anyway, given how we are happy to kill other creatures for every other comfort besides food.

From a strictly utilitarian and environmental perspective though, vegetarianism is undoubtedly the better choice.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah but what about chicken. I can live without steak and beef, and even lamb, if absolutely necessary but there's no way I could stop eating chicken. Or ham/bacon when it's on Pizza or in a burger for that matter. I'd be a vegetarian if you're allowed to eat chicken and ham/bacon, and lamb in kebabs and meatlovers pizzas and whatever the meat in burgers is. But I don't think they invented the term for that yet.