Wasim Akram Vs Kallis

[sayon basak]

Statistically speaking, Donald’s record is better than that of Steyn.

Steyn played against 9 opponents. He has an average of more than 25 against 3 of them.
- 27.5 vs SL
-27.8 vs Aus
-31.6 vs Eng

Donald played against 8 opponents. He has an average of more than 23 against only 1 country.
- 31.08 vs Aus

Steyn played in 11 countries. He averages 25 or more in 5 countries.
-26.5 in NZ (4 Tests)
-28.7 in Aus (7 Tests)
-30.3 in SL (6 Tests)
-31.6 in Eng (5 Tests)
- 32.7 in UAE (4 Tests)

Donald played in 9 countries. He averages 25 or more in 2 countries.
- 28.4 in Aus (7 Tests)
- 32.2 in Pak (2 Tests)

Among the teams Allan Donald played against, only 3 of them averaged above 25 with the bat. On the other hand, Dale Steyn played against 6 teams that averaged 25 or higher (4 of them averaged above 30).

Allan Donald's opponents:-

Dale Steyn's opponents:-

 

[DrWolverine]

Dale Steyn played in arguably the toughest time for fast bowlers in recent time.

I was saying Allan Donald was just as good as anyone but tends to be forgotten.

 

[StephenZA]

Statistically speaking, Donald’s record is better than that of Steyn.

Steyn played against 9 opponents. He has an average of more than 25 against 3 of them.
- 27.5 vs SL
-27.8 vs Aus
-31.6 vs Eng

Donald played against 8 opponents. He has an average of more than 23 against only 1 country.
- 31.08 vs Aus

Steyn played in 11 countries. He averages 25 or more in 5 countries.
-26.5 in NZ (4 Tests)
-28.7 in Aus (7 Tests)
-30.3 in SL (6 Tests)
-31.6 in Eng (5 Tests)
- 32.7 in UAE (4 Tests)

Donald played in 9 countries. He averages 25 or more in 2 countries.
- 28.4 in Aus (7 Tests)
- 32.2 in Pak (2 Tests)

Its almost like they played in different eras...

 

[subshakerz]

Statistically speaking, Donald’s record is better than that of Steyn.

Steyn played against 9 opponents. He has an average of more than 25 against 3 of them.
- 27.5 vs SL
-27.8 vs Aus
-31.6 vs Eng

Donald played against 8 opponents. He has an average of more than 23 against only 1 country.
- 31.08 vs Aus

Steyn played in 11 countries. He averages 25 or more in 5 countries.
-26.5 in NZ (4 Tests)
-28.7 in Aus (7 Tests)
-30.3 in SL (6 Tests)
-31.6 in Eng (5 Tests)
- 32.7 in UAE (4 Tests)

Donald played in 9 countries. He averages 25 or more in 2 countries.
- 28.4 in Aus (7 Tests)
- 32.2 in Pak (2 Tests)

Donald has pretty figures in SC but he didn't actually win any games. Steyn did against all countries.

Donald was overall disappointing against Australia his best opponent. Steyn was not.

 

[sayon basak]

Dale Steyn played in arguably the toughest time for fast bowlers in recent time.

I was saying Allan Donald was just as good as anyone but tends to be forgotten.

True ig.

 

[Jumno]

It's neck and neck now.

Akram a great fast bowler and more than handy number eight batsman.

 

[BazBall21]

Donald has pretty figures in SC but he didn't actually win any games. Steyn did against all countries.

Donald was overall disappointing against Australia his best opponent. Steyn was not.

Would you say he could have done more to win those games or was team support culpable?

 

[subshakerz]

Would you say he could have done more to win those games or was team support culpable?

Pollock outshined him in Pak and Ind.

 

[BazBall21]

Pollock outshined him in Pak and Ind.

Peak Pollock was very good in Asia. The pillar behind defending 110 or whatever it was in Pakistan.

 

[Coronis]

Among the teams Allan Donald played against, only 3 of them averaged above 25 with the bat. On the other hand, Dale Steyn played against 6 teams that averaged 25 or higher (4 of them averaged above 30).

Allan Donald's opponents:-
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Dale Steyn's opponents:-
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Looks more like what the teams averaged in matches involving those players. Wouldn’t call that a useful metric for what you’re trying to argue.

 

[kyear2]

Anyone who actually saw Kallis bat would know he is amongst a handful of batsmen that qualify to be second to the GOAT. To definitely say any one batsman is better than him is pointless pedantry. The same could apply to Hobbs, Tendulkar, Sobers, Richards, Lara, Smith, Hutton etc

Fify...

Actually.....

Anyone who actually saw Viv Richards bat would know he is amongst a handful of batsmen that qualify to be second to the GOAT. To definitely say any one batsman is better than him is pointless pedantry. The same could apply to Hobbs, Tendulkar, Sobers, Lara, Smith etc

Much better

 

[capt_Luffy]

Fify...

Actually.....

Anyone who actually saw Chris Woakes play would know he is amongst a handful of players the only player that qualifies to be the undisputed GOAT. To even suggestively say any one player is better than him is pointless pedantry blasphemy of the highest order. The same could NOT apply to Bradman, Grace, Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Tendulkar, Hobbs, Marshall etc

 

[kyear2]

 

[Coronis]

Pollock outshined him in Pak and Ind.

I don’t think being outshone by a teammate should negatively affect him.

Donald only played whilst Pollock was in his peak (a very underrated peak btw) and he’s a fellow ATG batsman.

McGrath outperformed Warne in England but iirc we don’t take that away from Warne’s record.

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t think being outshone by a teammate should negatively affect him.

Donald only played whilst Pollock was in his peak (a very underrated peak btw) and he’s a fellow ATG batsman.

McGrath outperformed Warne in England but iirc we don’t take that away from Warne’s record.

Warne still won many games in England. My point was that Donald didn't.

 

[BazBall21]

I don’t think being outshone by a teammate should negatively affect him.

Donald only played whilst Pollock was in his peak (a very underrated peak btw) and he’s a fellow ATG batsman.

McGrath outperformed Warne in England but iirc we don’t take that away from Warne’s record.

His point was that Donald could have done more which was exemplified by Pollock. Generally not a fan of match results having an impact on individual assessments though.

 

[subshakerz]

His point was that Donald could have done more which was exemplified by Pollock. Generally not a fan of match results having an impact on individual assessments though.

My point is that Donald in the SC is more of smash and grab performances while Steyn outright won games in India, Pakistan and SL. The latter obviously more important.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Steyn was obviously better than Donald in Asia and Australia