Was WI ATG team overhyped?

[Xix2565]

Aus 79/80, Eng 80/81 and Pak 80/81 were all strong teams beaten by WI.

How does that affect my point? You named just 3 teams, of whom probably 1-2 would be considered strong nowadays. The rest were still weak right? That helps with being dominant.

 

[Xix2565]

I've also consistently asked, when it's mentioned that this is a bowler era, if it is or just poor batsmen trined in T20 cricket who don't know how to build innings.

90% of the batters playing now and since 2018 have decent FC records. Might as well question older players on whether they were lucky to get picked by feasting on noobs in FC then. It's a stupid suggestion.

 

[kyear2]

90% of the batters playing now and since 2018 have decent FC records. Might as well question older players on whether they were lucky to get picked by feasting on noobs in FC then. It's a stupid suggestion.

It's not a stupid suggestion, and I see your unrefined skills of human engagement haven't improved.

Watching some of the non top tier batsmen the past decade and especially recently, the batting approach has been less than inspiring in the least opportune moments.

 

[Xix2565]

It's not a stupid suggestion, and I see your unrefined skills of human engagement haven't improved.

Watching some of the non top tier batsmen the past decade and especially recently, the batting approach has been less than inspiring in the least opportune moments.

It is stupid because you assume that people being picked in Tests have somehow regressed in terms of skills and technique just because of a different format. It's not intelligent at all to be honest. I really don't see how assuming things have gone backwards is something that makes any sense.

So? Wouldn't that have been the case in the past as well? Were people somehow more inspiring with the bat when getting bullied by WI pace or McGrath/Warne? Or even in general?

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think Test batting in general has regressed a bit since the 90s and early 00s. Basically since T20s became big.

It's probably because back then the best potential batsmen had their games refined to long form cricket, now it's split with a lot of the best emerging players developing a game built around T20s

 

[Socerer 01]

It's not a stupid suggestion, and I see your unrefined skills of human engagement haven't improved.

Watching some of the non top tier batsmen the past decade and especially recently, the batting approach has been less than inspiring in the least opportune moments.

cute insult but it doesnt change the fact that its due to pitches becoming more spicy and bowling attacks being stronger overall nowadays, its also partly why its difficult to stand out as exceptional when everyone’s really good

 

[Xix2565]

I just don't buy it. Seems a lot like having a conclusion and trying to bend everything into place just for it to make sense. Especially when you use the best batting pitches era to make that conclusion, as if people scoring when it was easier to score makes them more skillful.

 

[Socerer 01]

I think Test batting in general has regressed a bit since the 90s and early 00s. Basically since T20s became big.

It's probably because back then the best potential batsmen had their games refined to long form cricket, now it's split with a lot of the best emerging players developing a game built around T20s

the only change i’ve noticed with my agricultural and untrained eyes is batsmen lacking concentration to an extent compared to the previous players and im still most likely talking **** here

the other culprit is players being forced to adapt to 3 formats on the fly constantly. the list of current batsmen who have a decent average in all 3 formats must be very low

 

[Coronis]

the only change i’ve noticed with my agricultural and untrained eyes is batsmen lacking concentration to an extent compared to the previous players and im still most likely talking **** here

the other culprit is players being forced to adapt to 3 formats on the fly constantly. the list of current batsmen who have a decent average in all 3 formats must be very low

What are agricultural eyes?

 

[kyear2]

I think Test batting in general has regressed a bit since the 90s and early 00s. Basically since T20s became big.

It's probably because back then the best potential batsmen had their games refined to long form cricket, now it's split with a lot of the best emerging players developing a game built around T20s

It's been fairly obvious to observe, nothing controversial about it.

 

[Socerer 01]

the only obvious thing is that nostalgia jerking is strong as ever

 

[Socerer 01]

What are agricultural eyes?

the sort of eyes that can acknowledge that they’re the ones of an armchair novice

 

[TheJediBrah]

the only change i’ve noticed with my agricultural and untrained eyes is batsmen lacking concentration to an extent compared to the previous players and im still most likely talking **** here

the other culprit is players being forced to adapt to 3 formats on the fly constantly. the list of current batsmen who have a decent average in all 3 formats must be very low

Techniques are definitely worse for dealing with the moving ball. Younger players coming through the last decade and a half or so have developed styles more suited to hitting through the line on true pitches, which makes them more effective white ball hitters but more vulnerable when there's anything in the wicket.

I really thought this was widely accepted tbh

 

[Socerer 01]

Techniques are definitely worse for dealing with the moving ball. Younger players coming through the last decade and a half or so have developed styles more suited to hitting through the line on true pitches, which makes them more effective white ball hitters but more vulnerable when there's anything in the wicket.

I really thought this was widely accepted tbh

this is mainly true for white ball hitters like the ones England flooded their odi team with, not the case with every batsman out there tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

this is mainly true for white ball hitters like the ones England flooded their odi team with, not the case with every batsman out there tbh

No there are still quality Test players coming through but the point is the talent is split now. It used to be almost every bat coming through was developed with the aim for Test cricket. Now it's a minority and the results are showing in all teams with Test batting lineups less adaptable to bowling-helpful conditions

 

[Socerer 01]

No there are still quality Test players coming through but the point is the talent is split now. It used to be almost every bat coming through was developed with the aim for Test cricket. Now it's a minority and the results are showing in all teams with Test batting lineups less adaptable to bowling-helpful conditions

this is offset by more players coming through in general, i still dont think its a minority only being developed with a main aim for tests, at least that isnt the case in India and i doubt its the case in England either

 

[TheJediBrah]

this is offset by more players coming through in general

It's not though. Test batting line ups are noticeably different in their strengths and weaknesses. This isn't in people's imaginations, or the result of looking back with rose-tinted glasses

 

[Xix2565]

Techniques are definitely worse for dealing with the moving ball.

When were they better? How can you tell this?

 

[Xix2565]

Like why is poor batting the point being made rather than bowling development and other factors?

 

[Sunil1z]

Batting average in 90s : 29.5
Batting average since 2018 : 28.5

I would say it is combination of
1. Pitches getting more bowler friendly in general
2. Players don’t want to fight it out anymore when things are not in their favour.