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Viv Richards vs Brian Lara

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Viv Richards

    Votes: 36 57.1%
  • Brian Lara

    Votes: 27 42.9%

  • Total voters
    63

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Again, context. In the 2007 series, Tendulkar fell thrice against Anderson but was still scoring a fair bit, it's not like Anderson's ownage of Kohli in 2014. 2011, Tendulkar's decline began and he struggled against the entire attack, not Anderson specifically.

Tendulkar succeeded against Steyn and had three hugely productive series in England in a row so I don't see the point trying to create a new weakness of his against lateral movement.
 

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
I dont think you want to start posting Anderson bunny compilations if you're on the Kohli side of a Sachin v Kohli argument. It'll end badly.
Lol Kohli only struggled against Anderson in Eng unlike Sachin who struggled against Anderson everywhere. And FTR Kohli has better average against Anderson than Sachin and he faced prime Anderson 🙄

 

ma1978

International Debutant
Bumping this thread as one of our members thought it was an abomination, unacceptable, an act of infamy to rank Richards behind Lara.

BTW, I voted for Lara two years but lean Richards today which shows how close this one is
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
Lara 1996 and before was spectacular. However after that he was very inconsistent. He did have that great series against Aus 98, Sri L.

Lara does have many big scores of 200 and over which some people say bolsters his average.

Also he never scored a hundred against Wasim, Waqur, Donald.

Viv Richards for me. Hundreds against the great quicks too.
 
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Coronis

International Coach
It is, however I believe the consensus is if he needed the big scores to bolster his average, he must have been inconsistent. A big score and some not so good scores.
Idk I don’t think thats quite the case.

Tendulkar scored tons in 15.6% of his innings
Lara scored tons in 14.7% of his innings

Tendulkar scored 50’s in 36.2% of his innings
Lara scored 50’s in 35.3% of his innings

Tendulkar scored 25+ in 54.4% of his innings
Lara scored 25+ in 56% of his innings

So yeah, Tendulkar was definitely a bit better at converting starts into 50’s and tons, and Lara was better at converting those into 150+ or double tons, but he actually “failed” or had a not so good score less often than Tendulkar. I guess it comes down to peoples perception of a failed or poor innings too. (25 was just an arbitrary number I pulled out of my head)


Of course then we get into the not outs debate - are people leaving runs on the board in (non declared) not out innings or is it more valuable for them to stay in and keep scoring.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Idk I don’t think thats quite the case.

Tendulkar scored tons in 15.6% of his innings
Lara scored tons in 14.7% of his innings

Tendulkar scored 50’s in 36.2% of his innings
Lara scored 50’s in 35.3% of his innings

Tendulkar scored 25+ in 54.4% of his innings
Lara scored 25+ in 56% of his innings

So yeah, Tendulkar was definitely a bit better at converting starts into 50’s and tons, and Lara was better at converting those into 150+ or double tons, but he actually “failed” or had a not so good score less often than Tendulkar. I guess it comes down to peoples perception of a failed or poor innings too. (25 was just an arbitrary number I pulled out of my head)


Of course then we get into the not outs debate - are people leaving runs on the board in (non declared) not out innings or is it more valuable for them to stay in and keep scoring.
Further evidence Tendulkar is tops.
 

Slifer

International Captain
It is, however I believe the consensus is if he needed the big scores to bolster his average, he must have been inconsistent. A big score and some not so good scores.
What actually hurts and not helps Lara's cause is the far fewer not outs he has relative to any batsman I can think of, who's played a similar amount of tests. Some might say that's irrelevant and his own fault. Actually no. Had he cared more about his average, he could very easily had doubled up on his not outs. He played as part of the weakest WI batting lineup til now and had to make as much runs as possible, before running out of partners.


Without looking, I'm willing to guess that Lara actually scored more runs per innings than most of his rivals and people being compared to him.
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
What actually hurts and not helps Lara's cause is the far fewer not outs he has relative to any batsman I can think of, who's played a similar amount of tests. Some might say that's irrelevant and his own fault. Actually no. Had he cared more about his average, he could very easily had doubled up on his not outs. He played as part of the weakest WI batting lineup til now and had to make as much runs as possible, before running out of partners.


Without looking, I'm willing to guess that Lara actually scored more runs per innings than most of his rivals and people being compared to him.
I'm not trying to diminish Lara in any way. I've been on a few forums, in the past and they stated that the 400 was selfish, the number of 200s he has scored had bolstered his average blah blah.

Tendulkar was dubbed for a time a one man army, either Tendulkar hits or India lose. I felt that too.

Lara did play for a weak batting line up and had to shoulder the burden.

I said Lara is my favourite batsman.
 

Slifer

International Captain
I'm not trying to diminish Lara in any way. I've been on a few forums, in the past and they stated that the 400 was selfish, the number of 200s he has scored had bolstered his average blah blah.

Tendulkar was dubbed for a time a one man army, either Tendulkar hits or India lose. I felt that too.

Lara did play for a weak batting line up and had to shoulder the burden.

I said Lara is my favourite batsman.
You're not in anyway diminishing Lara; he does come up 2nd best to Sachin and he was inconsistent. The truth is the truth.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
I'm not trying to diminish Lara in any way. I've been on a few forums, in the past and they stated that the 400 was selfish, the number of 200s he has scored had bolstered his average blah blah.

Tendulkar was dubbed for a time a one man army, either Tendulkar hits or India lose. I felt that too.

Lara did play for a weak batting line up and had to shoulder the burden.

I said Lara is my favourite batsman.
I think post 1996, Tendulkar played mostly in a really strong batting line-up, an ATG probably in the 2000s.
 

Jumno

First Class Debutant
I've read a lot of articles, watched YouTube. A lot of them do say Tendulkar was more of a complete, consistent batsman, more organised.

I recall teams said they had to do planning with Tendulkar. Maybe in the mid to late 90s with Tendulkar's attacking game they were genuinely scared of Sachin.

They also said, Lara was flamboyant, attacking, who could win you a game, more dangerous.

I believe these bowlers stated the toughest, best batsman they bowled too:

McGrath: Lara
Warne: Tendulkar
McGill: Lara
Gillespie: Tendulkar
Donald: Tendulkar
Pollock:
Wasim: Viv, Crowe, Lara
Waqur: Tendulkar
Murali: Lara
Ambrose:
Walsh:
Lee: Tendulkar
Croft: Lara
Steyn: Tendulkar
Bond:
Hoggard: Tendulkar
 
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