Vaughan resigns as England captain... so does Collingwood

[GIMH]

Impressive considering he isn't in the team.

That's the basis for it apparently. Some of them (Botham, and a few on Cricket Writers on TV) think that appointing a skipper from outside would bring an end to the cosiness currently enjoyed by the batsmen.

I would now like to make it explicitly clear that I am not endorsing such a selection, merely restating what I have heard. Key getting into the squad I am fine with but not as skipper.

I'd give the job to Strauss, he did a decent job of it last time. Pietersen would be interesting but would make the selectors' lives difficult regarding the ODI captaincy. In that way Strauss would be the easiest choice for them, except for Colly. Gotta feel if this decision had been made at the start of the summer, Collingwood would have got the job.

 

[Goughy]

88-89 probably the highlight of incompetance.

4 captains in 5 Tests vs WI in 88 and 29 players (twenty nine ) used in the 89 Ashes

 

[GIMH]

One name not yet discussed is Cook. Again, this wouldn't necessarily be my choice but I am throwing it out there. Seems to have a reasonably safe place in the team, and going with someone that young hasn't exactly backfired for South Africa.

I am not advocating that he should get the job but I am surprised he hasn't been mentioned. He is only about 9 Tests less experienced than Pietersen.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Sky Sports say Pietersen (!!)

EDIT: in both forms (!!!)

 

[Richard]

88-89 probably the highlight of incompetance.

4 captains in 5 Tests vs WI in 88 and 29 players (twenty nine ) used in the 89 Ashes

And 28 were used in the 6 Tests against WI and SL in 1988 too.

1988 and 1989 really must have been belief-defyingly woeful. I'm rather glad I don't remember it.

 

[Richard]

One name not yet discussed is Cook. Again, this wouldn't necessarily be my choice but I am throwing it out there. Seems to have a reasonably safe place in the team, and going with someone that young hasn't exactly backfired for South Africa.

I am not advocating that he should get the job but I am surprised he hasn't been mentioned. He is only about 9 Tests less experienced than Pietersen.

He's also the same age as you and only a few months older than me.

Age counts.

 

[GIMH]

Impressive considering he isn't in the team.

Sky Sports say Pietersen (!!)

EDIT: in both forms (!!!)

Is that a prediction or what, what are they basing this on, oh jeez need to get SSN on what the **** is the missus watching

 

[Richard]

Sky Sports say Pietersen (!!)

EDIT: in both forms (!!!)

Well it could be worse but %$£@ me, that's poor. Shades of Vaughan of '02/03, except that obviously Pietersen has been good for rather longer than Vaughan was at that point.

Beevs to bang-on for 50 weeks about how Collingwood was robbed and turn Pietersen into the next Panesar.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Is that a prediction or what, what are they basing this on, oh jeez need to get SSN on what the **** is the missus watching

Tim Abrahams on location from a car park outside the place they're holidng the press conference at - "a source close to the England team is claiming it"...

Also, Vaughan's place in the side? Gone, IMO. Probably in retirement from International cricket.

 

[GIMH]

What has Colly done to deserve losing the ODI captaincy ?

 

[Richard]

Same thing Flintoff did in 2006, I guess.

 

[GIMH]

He didn't lose it in 2006, (it was 2007) and was always stand-in

 

[Lillian Thomson]

What has Colly done to deserve losing the ODI captaincy ?

A slow overrate.

 

[chalky]

What has Colly done to deserve losing the ODI captaincy ?

Apealing for that run out against the Kiwis was shameful

 

[Goughy]

KP is not he right guy at all. He just needs to bat and not wory about additional captaincy burdens of press, sponsors and fans.

England captain needs skills as well as the ability to bat and burning ambition. I dont think those personal and political skills are developed enough in KP, just as they were not in Flintoff.

Strauss really is the only logical option if Vaughan is definately going.

 

[Richard]

He didn't lose it in 2006, (it was 2007) and was always stand-in

Some people wanted him to lose it to Strauss in 2006/07 though - and had he done so, it'd have been the same thing as has apparently happened here.

 

[NZTailender]

Haha, things just go from bad to worse for England. Biggest joke in international cricket at the moment.

 

[gettingbetter]

Can't see KP being the Test captain, but due to the form and the recent dropping from the Test team, Strauss and Collingwood do seem like odd options. And I'm quite sure Flintoff stated that he didn't want to be captain.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Haha, things just go from bad to worse for England. Biggest joke in international cricket at the moment.

Good point. Makes you wonder how any other Country could be bad enough to lose to them........

 

[pasag]

Strauss only just got his place back and you get the feeling he's not completely out of the woods yet and loss of form could be only around the corner again. At the end of the day as much as people don't like it, KP is the only secure member of the side, a marketer's dream and certainly one that can inspire the side. It's not ideal, but that's how they'll probably see it. Don't get why Vaughan needs to quit though, if he's doing it for himself or because he's upset I understand but if he's doing it because he feels England could do better, that's silly to say the least.