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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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jcas0167
International Debutant
Lifted from the NZ Cricket fan forum, "up and coming" pace bowlers in NZ:
"Ben Sears, Nathan Smith, Simon Keene, Joey Field, Jacob Duffy, Kristian Clarke, Michael Rae, Will O'Rourke, Henry Shipley, Zak Foulkes, Josh Clarkson, Brett Randell, Blair Tickner, Matt Fisher, Zak Gibson, Jarrod McKay
The only lefties on the domestic scene are Ben Lister, Ed Nuttall and Andrew Hazeldine."
"Ben Sears, Nathan Smith, Simon Keene, Joey Field, Jacob Duffy, Kristian Clarke, Michael Rae, Will O'Rourke, Henry Shipley, Zak Foulkes, Josh Clarkson, Brett Randell, Blair Tickner, Matt Fisher, Zak Gibson, Jarrod McKay
The only lefties on the domestic scene are Ben Lister, Ed Nuttall and Andrew Hazeldine."
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That hasn't immeasurably changed in the time Trent has been an NZ cricketer. And he's a very intelligent guy, he'd know the financial workings of NZC. It makes no sense to me that there is anything happening now in terms of revenue share split that would drive him out of the game, because (my opinion, and based on what he's said in the media) it's all to do with his family and being able to pick and choose where he plays.
Anyway, you think there'll be an influx of guys leaving...let's see.
thundaboult
International Debutant
Depressing.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Yeah. The amounts we are talking - Women's contracts impact any future liklihood of Plunket Shield reverting back to 10 rounds on the near horizon. Until it gets to the point of being cost neutral or profitable (or NZC get boosted income from elsewhere, e.g. ICC TV cycles)
Doesn't really impact top blackcaps contracts.
Boult's is a life stage choice, not a financial choice, IMO.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
If you give it too a young bloke, then they'll just get rich early, get burnt-out early, retire early. Like Boult.
Anyway, these are rolling 1 year contracts, not talking a 5 year deal to lock in an exciting young talent to Manchester Utd etc.
It absolutely should go to the next most deserving talent for the playing mix they need, probably Neesh. To give an option to someone on a near-Boult like situation (minus the young family, possibly)
Giving it to Sears, Allen or Ravindra would probably make absolutely no difference. Actually, I say that but Allen with T20s and Sears with Law have other high earning options. Ravindra is more a 'prisoner' of having to do the hard yards. So whether he earns 80k or 150k will make no difference to what he does over the next 2 years. How much cricket he plays. Considering there is a higher earning contract not far away anyway without needing to 'favour youth'.
But honestly, who would chose Law 8 to 10 years earlier than required? 4 years of University would knock the naivity out that checking property contracts isn't actually as exciting as those episode of 'Suits' made it out to be.
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Flem274*
123/5
Let's not pretend this was ever going to happen, or that the primary reason was "cost saving".
NZC's goal is profit maxing, and that means NZ being a specialist T20 side with token efforts in ODIs and tests.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I'm going to pretend it was going to happen. Otherwise can never hold them to account when they don't do it.
It was sold as a temporary change, to fund A tours, but there was a 'hockey graph' shaped ICC scheduled payments in the 8 year deal meaning bigger money was supposed to be happening now to allow both cake and eating (But covid, presumably ...). But also, don't mention it and maybe they will forget.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Love Boult, the England tour was an impressive return to test cricket form and he's one of our best two limited overs bowlers, so this is a huge blow.
I don't agree that it's beyond the pale to criticise the decision in Boult's case though, if it does indeed mean to give up playing for NZ in order to play more overseas T20 comps.
I would completely understand if someone with three kids wants to stop touring the world for months at a time, and so retires from cricket.
Or if you're just over touring or have lost the desire full stop, would be understandable to retire.
Also completely understand that sportspeople have a limited career-span before they get old or injured, and sometimes struggle for earnings post-cricket, so need to set themselves and their family up while the going's good. So I would never quibble with a late-career non-core NZ player like Colin Munro, who wouldn't have high career earnings to that point, going off to the T20 comps to try maximise those earnings while he can.
But Boult is a core player who has been on one of the top NZ contracts for years and has been playing in the extremely lucrative IPL for several seasons - his career earnings must be around the NZ$5M mark to date, so his family have to be pretty well set up unless he spent it all on dogecoin. No, it's not up to randos on the internet to decide how much money is enough for a person, but if he's looking at being away from family overseas to play for NZ, vs being away from family overseas to earn more money in domestic comps, and choosing the latter, I do still find that disappointing.
Fundamentally I'm just a greedy cricket fan that wants to see the best NZ players keep playing, win the T20/ODI world cup and win test matches. Boult is one of our best.
I don't agree that it's beyond the pale to criticise the decision in Boult's case though, if it does indeed mean to give up playing for NZ in order to play more overseas T20 comps.
I would completely understand if someone with three kids wants to stop touring the world for months at a time, and so retires from cricket.
Or if you're just over touring or have lost the desire full stop, would be understandable to retire.
Also completely understand that sportspeople have a limited career-span before they get old or injured, and sometimes struggle for earnings post-cricket, so need to set themselves and their family up while the going's good. So I would never quibble with a late-career non-core NZ player like Colin Munro, who wouldn't have high career earnings to that point, going off to the T20 comps to try maximise those earnings while he can.
But Boult is a core player who has been on one of the top NZ contracts for years and has been playing in the extremely lucrative IPL for several seasons - his career earnings must be around the NZ$5M mark to date, so his family have to be pretty well set up unless he spent it all on dogecoin. No, it's not up to randos on the internet to decide how much money is enough for a person, but if he's looking at being away from family overseas to play for NZ, vs being away from family overseas to earn more money in domestic comps, and choosing the latter, I do still find that disappointing.
Fundamentally I'm just a greedy cricket fan that wants to see the best NZ players keep playing, win the T20/ODI world cup and win test matches. Boult is one of our best.
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RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Woke Ross
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Wow. Imagine that. But of course, certain former posters critique of his diet using racial tropes was perfectly fine. :rolleyes:
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Flem274*
123/5
Men in their mid-thirties behaving like high schoolers. Good to get some names for the rumoured Mean Girls clique. Bit of a shame since I was a big fan of both players named.
Chubb
International Regular
It seems to happen in every sports team, even very successful ones. Hard to think of a single team that didn't have cliques.