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Umpiring Errors

Daemon

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Did Morgan's have enough evidence (hotspot + snicko) to overturn the decision? Haven't seen the replays of that one.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Did Morgan's have enough evidence (hotspot + snicko) to overturn the decision? Haven't seen the replays of that one.
Yeah; no edge on Hotspot, no noise on stump mic or snicko. The only argument against is the rumour (never confirmed by Morgan) that he "thought he'd hit it".
 

Stapel

International Regular
Can't think of a substance which would have the effect of cooling something as porous as wood down to undetectable level, especially with softer willow batters use these days.
Seems big nonsense to me. If any substance could actually cool the bat down, rapidly it would only shorten the time a spot would be visible with a heat measuring device.

If one would manipulate hotspot, the only way to do so is to prevent (or seriously decrease the amount of) any kinetic energy to be transformed into heat. I guess this effect can be acheived with vaseline, but only in a very very marginal way.
 

keeper

U19 Vice-Captain
Which would be ironic given how few times has actually hit the ball in this series.

With regard to potentially replacing Trott in the next Test, the selectors will go for a batsman rather than another bowler or keeper I am sure. Trouble is, the next in line aren't doing great. Taylor's CC form is poor in division 2, Hildreth's not good albeit in division 1. The Yorkshire lads seem to have stalled. Don't know much about Stokes but he's very young I think. And it's tough asking a youngster to step in for potentially one game (although Morgan's place is up for grabs if they do well). Pity an old pro like Rob Key isn't having a hot streak. Tresco is a fascinating prospect.
 

Daemon

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A millimetre or two of vaseline is hardly going to affect the amount of friction caused by a ball travelling at 130kph imo. Sounds like a job for Mythbusters.
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
It's 4-2 by my count on decision that would've been overturned by UDRS:

England:

1) Morgan given out caught behind without hitting it 1st innings, 1st test
2) Sachin plumb LBW 2nd innings, 1st test
3) Raina plumber LBW 2nd innings, 1st test
4) Cook given out LBW when ball was missing off, 1st innings, 2nd test

India:

1) Swann plumb LBW to Harbhajan, 1st innings, 1st test
2) Harbhajan edging into his pads, given out LBW, 1st innings, 2nd test

Any decision that shows up as "umpire's call" can't categorically be called an error nor can edges too fine to show up on Hotspot, hence the absence of the Laxman edge that snicko detected but Hotpsot didn't.

Think there was one vs Broad in the second innings of the first test that would have been overturned
 

Top_Cat

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Seems big nonsense to me. If any substance could actually cool the bat down, rapidly it would only shorten the time a spot would be visible with a heat measuring device.

If one would manipulate hotspot, the only way to do so is to prevent (or seriously decrease the amount of) any kinetic energy to be transformed into heat. I guess this effect can be acheived with vaseline, but only in a very very marginal way.
As I said earlier, though, if you use vaseline, as it's rheopectic, you'd expect any impact if anything, to be magnified. Instead of the heat generated from the impact to be partially absorbed by the wood and partially dissipated into the air, the sheer-thickening properties of the vaseline would (in theory) keep it trapped in the fluid. As I said, though, it'd likely be such a small effect as to be negligible so, ultimately, you'd call bull**** on the whole thing and blame it on confirmation bias.

Really can't be sure without testing, though.
 
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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
pretty even
How is 3-1 even when the 1 was a tail end slogger but the 3 were all top order batsmen?

Edt: forgot Swann, but would argue that that again is relatively irrelevant owing to the match situation at the time.
 
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centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
How is 3-1 even when the 1 was a tail end slogger but the 3 were all top order batsmen?

Edt: forgot Swann, but would argue that that again is relatively irrelevant owing to the match situation at the time.
all the marginial calls going in english batsmen's favour...
had there been udrs for lbws, the on-field umpires probably would've given some of those.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
All supposition and bullcrap.

Marginal decisions are not umpiring errors (especially when in the main the replays show the decisions to be correct)
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Wait so he walked or was he given by the umpire?
Walked without reviewing it after being given out. And then later Sky confirmed from the dressing room that he thought he had hit it and thus walked.

Some commentators and Cricinfo speculated at the time that he thought he may have been given LBW and people on here have clutched onto it since then and are claiming they know more than Morgan himself based on a TV replay.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Wouldn't vaseline on the edge leave a smudge, if ever so slight, on the ball? Keeper has eyes.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Walked without reviewing it after being given out. And then later Sky confirmed from the dressing room that he thought he had hit it and thus walked.

Some commentators and Cricinfo speculated at the time that he thought he may have been given LBW and people on here have clutched onto it since then and are claiming they know more than Morgan himself based on a TV replay.
The TV replay that clearly shows him missing the ball, yes.

Brumby said had it been reviewed, it would have been overturned. It almost certainly would have been.
 
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Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
The TV replay that clearly shows him not missing the ball, yes.

Brumby said had it been reviewed, it would have been overturned. It almost certainly would have been.
No there was no clarity on that replay and the snicko wasn't being used in any case.

Even, if it had been overturned (Which it wouldn't) his ****ing fault for not reviewing it like it is the Captain's when he does not review something.

Plus he was happy with the decision and knew Dhoni had ball in his hand . This is as marc put it "All supposition and bullcrap" and people should give their mind reading skills a rest.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
No there was no clarity on that replay and the snicko wasn't being used in any case.

Even, if it had been overturned (Which it wouldn't) his ****ing fault for not reviewing it like it is the Captain's when he does not review something.

Plus he was happy with the decision and knew Dhoni had ball in his hand . This is as marc put it "All supposition and bullcrap" and people should give their mind reading skills a rest.
lolirony
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
I love how the one who keeps insisting he knows what Morgan was thinking (because of "reports") is telling others to stop trying to read minds.

If Morgan had referred it it would've been overturned as there was no evidence he hit it. There was probably more evidence that Laxman was out yesterday (there being a sound and all).
 

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