Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
He's only outbowled in Asia. Anderson is slightly ahead in ENG and NZ, while gets clearly outbowled in Aus, SA and WI. Overall, it's pretty close
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Top pace bowlers to debut in 21st century
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Johan
State Vice-Captain
Including SA and Eng are kind of dumb, they're their home grounds, both have been brilliant there but Rabada a bit moreso in SA. Aus, I'd give it to you but Anderson is EONS ahead in NZ, in WI Anderson averages 20 and Rabada 16.5, isn't really much there.
again, no matter how you slice it, a 23.8 away/neutral avg in the same timeframe Rabada averages 26.9 away, is not a good look for Rabada in the comparison.
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
In stats guru perhaps but iirc Rabada had a horror tour to Oz last time out, which his figures didn't fully reflect. Picked up a bunch of cheap slogged wickets when matches were already lost, in no small part to him bowling (uncharacteristically) awfully in his first couple of spells every Test.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Tbf, one averages 23 against Australia whilst the other averages 36.
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
How exactly is Anderson eons ahead in NZ? And ofc their home conditions should be included, they play 50% of their games there! Ofc their avgs away favour Anderson (in the same period) but one can't simply ignore the earlier part of Anderson's career. Also, I have no issues in anyone putting Anderson over Rabada, but it isn't as one sided as it is being made out to be.
BazBall21
International Captain
Yeah. It's why I noted Anderson is much better in Asia. It's closer in Australia. Obviously Rabada has the more destructive attributes for those conditions and he had an elite tour in 2016, but he can leak on good pitches. And Anderson did do very well in 2010-11. Some really flat pitches in that series. That was near the beginning of his transition from mediocre to top class.
Johan
State Vice-Captain
in the timeframe we're discussing Anderson's averaged 20 in NZ and Rabada averages like 30 so yeah that's a pretty significant gap, if you include the home conditions that's fine, I already said Rabada in SA is a bit better than Anderson in England, though I'd argue SA for the majority of the last 20 years has been a much harder place to bat than Eng but I'm fine with Rabada being ahead in home conditions. and actually, with how big Anderson's career is, with how many matches, I do think the first 1/4 of it can be ignored if he was consistently brilliant for as long as he was once he found his perfect action.
Yeah, I'm simply presenting stats, if one has Rabada over Anderson I'm not going to fight over it obviously, as strange as I may find it
BazBall21
International Captain
Rabada definitely better at home; the gap is exaggerated a bit by English conditions being frequently quite batsman-friendly until the 'pace pandemic'. Rabada has been given almost constant bowling conditions at home, but has been pretty relentless there and has surely won them many games so still deserves the plaudits. I don't think Anderson can match him there, or even be quite as destructive if there was an equivalent stream of English bowler friendly conditions, so that is a mark in KG's favour.
BazBall21
International Captain
Cummins and Bumrah have both imo hit a level Anderson never quite reached; despite Cummins' below par record in Asia and Bumrah having a very small sample. So to rate Anderson ahead of those two would imo put an excessive weight on longevity, though JA maintaining a very high level for so long would be an argument in his favour if Bumrah and Cummins severely tail off within the same length of the time Anderson was a high class performer in.
Rabada though has his flaws. Think Anderson's 2010-2023 stretch is sufficient to win him that battle for now.
The inflated acclaim Anderson receives from the English media who ignore his flaws probably leads to it being somewhat trendy to **** on him.
Rabada though has his flaws. Think Anderson's 2010-2023 stretch is sufficient to win him that battle for now.
The inflated acclaim Anderson receives from the English media who ignore his flaws probably leads to it being somewhat trendy to **** on him.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
1) Steyn
2) Anderson (for now)
3) Bumrah
4) Cummins
5) Rabada
6) Broad
7) Hazlewood
8) Philander
2) Anderson (for now)
3) Bumrah
4) Cummins
5) Rabada
6) Broad
7) Hazlewood
8) Philander
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Steyn
Cummins
Anderson
Rabada
Bumrah
Philander
Broad
Hazlewood
Johnson
Wagner
Shami
Boult
Morkel
Harris
Starc
Southee
Jamieson
Asif
Bond
Zaheer
Siddle
Roach
Clark
Hoggard
Sharma
Harmison
Holder
Abbott
Pattinson
Nortje
Cummins
Anderson
Rabada
Bumrah
Philander
Broad
Hazlewood
Johnson
Wagner
Shami
Boult
Morkel
Harris
Starc
Southee
Jamieson
Asif
Bond
Zaheer
Siddle
Roach
Clark
Hoggard
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Holder
Abbott
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Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Lee's debut was in 1999 (tests)
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Good list but Mohammad Abbas was better than a few of those bowlers
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Is he already "was"
Coronis
International Coach
Very surprised at a Kiwi saying this.
Coronis
International Coach
He was already a was for much of his career. Had a 10 test peak and a 15 test decline