Top 10 Batsmen with Debut after 2000

[Big_Gun]

Think Williamson and Root have at least 5 years left. The future is still unwritten

 

[GIMH]

Clarke definitely belongs in the list but I’d say he’s in a tier below Root/Sanga/Williamson/Younis

his purple patch was Godlike though

 

[Burgey]

Probably more to do with the fact that Clarke was a bit of a HTB. A home vs away avg of 62 vs 39 doesn't paint him in the best picture, whilst playing on some of the more batting friendly pitches this century. Would definitely make the top 15 though.

I understand that, but folks are whacking ABdV in here and he spent the first half of his career downhill skiing faster than Alberto Tomba.

 

[Burgey]

He does tbf, 2 8fers included. Maybe my memory is a bit biased against him because most of his contributions came in losing causes for Australia.

Yeah fair point. He's also got a lot better there as he’s gone on. His first tour or two were pretty dire iirc.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yea pretty big difference between Clarkes era and Williamson’s/Root’s era.

ABD had much tougher conditions than Clarke as well.

 

[centurymaker]

Smith
Sanga
ABD
Clarke
Kohli
Root
Younis
Williamson
Amla
Sehwag

I may have overrated Clarke but thats fine because everyone else is underrating him. His back forced an early retirement otherwise he had the ability to turn around some of his away numbers too.

Also while I placed Kohli above Root in this (very marginally), I think it's very likely he will finish below Root in the eyes of vast majority, myself included. One because Root is still in his prime. Two because Kohli is partly finished in terms of his drive and hunger to excel; even technically he's regressed a lot.

 

[Thala_0710]

My top 50 batsmen list: (min 2000 test runs)

1. Smith
2. Root
3. Sangakkara
4. De Villiers
5. Kohli
6. Williamson
7. Younis
8. Amla
9. GC Smith
10. Pietersen
11. Cook
12. Clarke
13. Sehwag
14. Hussey
15. Khawaja
16. Gayle
17. Bell
18. Pujara
19. Taylor
20. Azhar Ali
21. Trott
22. Mathews
23. Warner
24. Samaraweera
25. Labuschagne
26. Strauss
27. Misbah
28. Katich
29. Chandimal
30. Trescothick
31. Rohit
32. Babar
33. Pant
34. Collingwood
35. Head
36. Rahane
37. Sarwan
38. Du plessis
39. Gambhir
40. Prince
41. Elgar
42. Tamim
43. Richardson
44. Karunaratne
45. Vijay
46. Latham
47. De Kock
48. De Silva
49. Watling
50. Rahim

 

[Howsie]

With Williamson's records so poor in SA, IND, SL and ENG, does he warrant a place in the top 4 above the likes of ABD, Kohli and Younis?

New Zealand have played three test matches in South Africa during his whole test career

 

[PlayerComparisons]

New Zealand have played three test matches in South Africa during his whole test career

Only 1 full game since he turned 23

 

[Howsie]

Only 1 full game since he turned 23

Yup. His record in England and India is definitely a black mark against him but holding his record in South Africa against him is so stupid and pretty disingenuous.

Deadset if he’s likely to retire after the Aussie 26/27 test tour then he would’ve gone 17 years with only a chance to have played 3 test matches in South Africa. And only one in the last 15 years of his test career

 

[Coronis]

Yup. His record in England and India is definitely a black mark against him but holding his record in South Africa against him is so stupid and pretty disingenuous.

Deadset if he’s likely to retire after the Aussie 26/27 test tour then he would’ve gone 17 years with only a chance to have played 3 test matches in South Africa. And only one in the last 15 years of his test career

B-but it ticks a box off the checklist!

 

[Thala_0710]

New Zealand have played three test matches in South Africa during his whole test career

Yup he has only played 3 tests there but the point was more that in most major challenges away from home, Williamson has a poor record including ENG, IND and SL + the only 3 tests we have in SA. Williamson has a good record in Aus but it is still not better than the likes of ABD or Kohli. His major away successes have come on easier pitches in Pak/UAE or weaker attacks in Wi/Zim/Ban. He's surely an ATG on NZ wickets though.
With the above record, it makes it a bit difficult to rate him above ABD and Kohli imo

 

[Howsie]

Yup he has only played 3 tests there but the point was more that in most major challenges away from home, Williamson has a poor record including ENG, IND and SL + the only 3 tests we have in SA. Williamson has a good record in Aus but it is still not better than the likes of ABD or Kohli. His major away successes have come on easier pitches in Pak/UAE or weaker attacks in Wi/Zim/Ban. He's surely an ATG on NZ wickets though.
With the above record, it makes it a bit difficult to rate him above ABD and Kohli imo

Can’t say I’m an expert in regards to where certain players have scored etc but if Kane is averaging 55 and Kohli is down at 49 now surely he has a few major holes in his resume now also…

No doubt Williamson needs to fire in India during our next series. Two tests in Sri Lanka and a proper series in India for the first time since his debut. No excuses if he doesn’t score this time

 

[OverratedSanity]

Probably more to do with the fact that Clarke was a bit of a HTB. A home vs away avg of 62 vs 39 doesn't paint him in the best picture, whilst playing on some of the more batting friendly pitches this century. Would definitely make the top 15 though.

It's sometimes hard to remember how htb like Clarke's record was because he played some outrageously good knocks away from home in tough conditions. Had some very lean stretches that bring the numbers down though.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Can’t say I’m an expert in regards to where certain players have scored etc but if Kane is averaging 55 and Kohli is down at 49 now surely he has a few major holes in his resume now also…

No doubt Williamson needs to fire in India during our next series. Two tests in Sri Lanka and a proper series in India for the first time since his debut. No excuses if he doesn’t score this time

Surprisingly, he doesn't except England (avg 33), and still has an ATG series there. VK didn't played much of minnows, and even when he did, seldom cashed in too big.

 

[morgieb]

Probably more to do with the fact that Clarke was a bit of a HTB. A home vs away avg of 62 vs 39 doesn't paint him in the best picture, whilst playing on some of the more batting friendly pitches this century. Would definitely make the top 15 though.

Realistically, I think every Aussie of this era bar Smith has significant HTB leans.

 

[capt_Luffy]

A top 50..... Let's try:

1. Steve Smith
2. Kumar Sangakkara
3. A B de Villiers
4. Virat Kohli
5. Joe Root
6. Younis Khan
7. Kane Williamson
8. Hashim Amla
9. Graeme Smith
10. Virendra Sehwag
11. Alaistar Cook
12. Kevin Pietersen
13. Michael Clarke
14. Michael Hussey
15. Cheteshwar Pujara
16. Ross Taylor
17. Usman Khawaja
18. Marnus Labuschagne
19. Chris Gayle
20. David Warner
21. Angelo Mathews
22. Misbah-ul-Haq
23. Jonathan Trott
24. Azhar Ali
25. Marcus Trescothick
26. Ian Bell
27. Simon Katich
28. Thillan Samaraweera
29. Andrew Strauss
30. Babar Azam
31. Rohit Sharma
32. Dinesh Chandimal
33. Rishabh Pant
34. Dimuth Karunaratne
35. Faf du Plessis
36. Ramnaresh Sarwan
37. Tamim Iqbal
38. Brendon McCullum
39. Paul Collingwood
40. Ashwell Prince
41. Ajinkya Rahane
42. Dean Elgar
43. Mushfiqur Rahim
44. Darryl Mitchell
45. Travis Head
46. Gautam Gambhir
47. Chris Rogers
48. Matt Prior
49. Tom Latham
50. Devon Conway

 

[honestbharani]

a proper series in India for the first time since his debut.

What was wrong in 2016?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

A top 50..... Let's try:

1. Steve Smith
2. Kumar Sangakkara
3. A B de Villiers
4. Virat Kohli
5. Joe Root
6. Younis Khan
7. Kane Williamson
8. Hashim Amla
9. Graeme Smith
10. Virendra Sehwag
11. Alaistar Cook
12. Kevin Pietersen
13. Michael Clarke
14. Michael Hussey
15. Cheteshwar Pujara
16. Ross Taylor
17. Usman Khawaja
18. Marnus Labuschagne
19. Chris Gayle
20. David Warner
21. Angelo Mathews
22. Misbah-ul-Haq
23. Jonathan Trott
24. Azhar Ali
25. Marcus Trescothick
26. Ian Bell
27. Simon Katich
28. Thillan Samaraweera
29. Andrew Strauss
30. Babar Azam
31. Rohit Sharma
32. Dinesh Chandimal
33. Rishabh Pant
34. Dimuth Karunaratne
35. Faf du Plessis
36. Ramnaresh Sarwan
37. Tamim Iqbal
38. Brendon McCullum
39. Paul Collingwood
40. Ashwell Prince
41. Ajinkya Rahane
42. Dean Elgar
43. Mushfiqur Rahim
44. Darryl Mitchell
45. Travis Head
46. Gautam Gambhir
47. Chris Rogers
48. Matt Prior
49. Tom Latham
50. Devon Conway

Good list, but Mark Richardson was better than at least 20 of them.

 

[Thala_0710]

A top 50..... Let's try:

1. Steve Smith
2. Kumar Sangakkara
3. A B de Villiers
4. Virat Kohli
5. Joe Root
6. Younis Khan
7. Kane Williamson
8. Hashim Amla
9. Graeme Smith
10. Virendra Sehwag
11. Alaistar Cook
12. Kevin Pietersen
13. Michael Clarke
14. Michael Hussey
15. Cheteshwar Pujara
16. Ross Taylor
17. Usman Khawaja
18. Marnus Labuschagne
19. Chris Gayle
20. David Warner
21. Angelo Mathews
22. Misbah-ul-Haq
23. Jonathan Trott
24. Azhar Ali
25. Marcus Trescothick
26. Ian Bell
27. Simon Katich
28. Thillan Samaraweera
29. Andrew Strauss
30. Babar Azam
31. Rohit Sharma
32. Dinesh Chandimal
33. Rishabh Pant
34. Dimuth Karunaratne
35. Faf du Plessis
36. Ramnaresh Sarwan
37. Tamim Iqbal
38. Brendon McCullum
39. Paul Collingwood
40. Ashwell Prince
41. Ajinkya Rahane
42. Dean Elgar
43. Mushfiqur Rahim
44. Darryl Mitchell
45. Travis Head
46. Gautam Gambhir
47. Chris Rogers
48. Matt Prior
49. Tom Latham
50. Devon Conway

McCullum's a bit too high for my liking, otherwise a fine list and somewhat similar to mine